RE: The Ferrari Macnab
Discussion
Raify said:
Stuart said:
This thread needs to get back on track. If you don't like the story, don't read it, and move along. Please don't force me to close it or to start excluding people.
What is the track? What is the point of a discussion about an article if not to raise and talk about different points of view?Or are we only allowed to discuss the article if we like it? (which raises the space/time breaking point of how to form an opnion about an article without reading it)
Would you really exlude people or close the topic because some people are opining against the article?
That's bizarre.
I hadn't noticed that the thread had gone massively off track, have people started talking about anything other than the 2 main activities in the article?
TheOrangePeril said:
"The deer do a lot of damage to nearby stately home garden so they have a strong cull policy."
Aw, poor rich stately home owners.
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The real problem is that Townies have built on their habitat and removed their predators. Aw, poor rich stately home owners.
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ds.It only seems logical to charge Townies nice big fees to go and clear up the problems they've made.
It shows the level of education of the real world in Townies that there hasn't even been a mention of the grouse. The only animal of the three that is deliberately reared for sport.
Townies are welcome to drive out to the countryside and throw their money about but they really should leave their somewhat ignorant views in their concrete street or use their time outside to actually learn something.
Devil2575 said:
LongLiveTazio said:
If I wanted to read about an under-endowed man feeling powerful by killing an animal I would go elsewhere.
This.Also who the f**k uses the term 'Shooting Brake' these days other than pretentious t
ts.Personally I think this is a rather bad taste article. Surely it should be more about the car?
For the point of this article I think it would have been better to have 'shot' the stag with a decent nikon or canon - it takes far better stalking to get close enough to take the photo than it does to shoot one from a 100yrds away.
The same goes for the grouse as it takes a good photographer to catch a pair in flight.
The salmon could have been returned.
As others have said it's not a MacNab because it wasn't done in 24hrs so why alienate people and kill for the sake of it? When a life is taken the animal should be respected in both its life and its death.
Before anyone says I'm being soft for suggesting this then you are wrong - I shoot and fish. However I think for the purpose of the article it would have beeen better to let them live as it seems wrong to me to kill to make an article. I eat everything I kill - my hounds and cats get the scraps - there is no waste. It's much fairer to eat something that has lived free its whole life rather than the supermarket meats that alot of anti-hunting folk eat that has been couped up and cruelly kept in cramped conditions then killed in an horrible and stressful slaughterhouse.
I like the car though and plan to add one to my garage at some point in the future (when the've dropped to a more sensible 100k)
For the point of this article I think it would have been better to have 'shot' the stag with a decent nikon or canon - it takes far better stalking to get close enough to take the photo than it does to shoot one from a 100yrds away.
The same goes for the grouse as it takes a good photographer to catch a pair in flight.
The salmon could have been returned.
As others have said it's not a MacNab because it wasn't done in 24hrs so why alienate people and kill for the sake of it? When a life is taken the animal should be respected in both its life and its death.
Before anyone says I'm being soft for suggesting this then you are wrong - I shoot and fish. However I think for the purpose of the article it would have beeen better to let them live as it seems wrong to me to kill to make an article. I eat everything I kill - my hounds and cats get the scraps - there is no waste. It's much fairer to eat something that has lived free its whole life rather than the supermarket meats that alot of anti-hunting folk eat that has been couped up and cruelly kept in cramped conditions then killed in an horrible and stressful slaughterhouse.
I like the car though and plan to add one to my garage at some point in the future (when the've dropped to a more sensible 100k)
MrFrodo said:
I'm sure that stag had more fun lolloping around the Cornish countryside (prior to its encounter with Dom) than the average beef steer does. As a meat eater I'd find it rather hypocritical to complain.
I agree 100% - wild meat always tastes better because it has led a better life. I always find it rather amusing when I've been out with friends or colleagues who have sat down to eat veal (kept in the dark in poor conditions and slaughtered very young) and they object to me eating locally shot venison - because deer are cute!! Some people are idiots!The Jolly Todger said:
How many of the people who are up in arms about the deer eat meat? Would you rather be a wild deer killed cleanly one day or a broiler hen? I've always said that if you eat meat, you should be able to kill it yourself. It isn't born shrink wrapped.
The issue appears to one of taste for many. Most people (myself included) eat meat but on some level feel funny about the fact something died in the process and as such would rather not read about it in a road test.Others are also pointing out that the piece is very light on anything in particular, especially info on the car and was essentially not worth the 30 seconds it took to read (yes I know something more car related is coming Monday)
CampDavid said:
Others are also pointing out that the piece is very light on anything in particular, especially info on the car and was essentially not worth the 30 seconds it took to read (yes I know something more car related is coming Monday)
I got the impression that the article was more a précis of something done between two totally different publications and that the PHcentric version would follow shortly?I thought the premiss of the article was to focus solely on the Ferrari claim that the car was a Shooting Brake which fell down at the first hurdle, according to some,when they swapped for a different car to drive up some tracks. But the modern shooting brake has never been about being used on the shoot but for travelling in style to the shoot with all your kit including evening wear. The shoot provides the transport on the day.
The article wasn't brilliantly written but I can see the point of it and the fun in it.
My one single complaint is that if you need a bipod to shoot a deer then you are not yet ready to shoot a deer. That kind of thing is best left to commercial culling or Americans. It is not 'sport' for an Englishman. But it is very fitting for the modern Ferrari image.
DonkeyApple said:
The real problem is that Townies have built on their habitat and removed their predators.
It only seems logical to charge Townies nice big fees to go and clear up the problems they've made.
It shows the level of education of the real world in Townies that there hasn't even been a mention of the grouse. The only animal of the three that is deliberately reared for sport.
Townies are welcome to drive out to the countryside and throw their money about but they really should leave their somewhat ignorant views in their concrete street or use their time outside to actually learn something.
Wrong about the grouse which are completely wild and can't be reared, only their habitat can be managed to encourage them to breed and come back every year in high numbers. It only seems logical to charge Townies nice big fees to go and clear up the problems they've made.
It shows the level of education of the real world in Townies that there hasn't even been a mention of the grouse. The only animal of the three that is deliberately reared for sport.
Townies are welcome to drive out to the countryside and throw their money about but they really should leave their somewhat ignorant views in their concrete street or use their time outside to actually learn something.
Pheasants and partridges are reared to shoot.
shambolic said:
Wrong about the grouse which are completely wild and can't be reared, only their habitat can be managed to encourage them to breed and come back every year in high numbers.
Pheasants and partridges are reared to shoot.
Can't be hand reared. They are still reared for the shoot. Unlike wild salmon or deer, the latter of which are a pest to humans and hence the need for culls. Grouse are specifically reared for sporting purposes. Pheasants and partridges are reared to shoot.
DonkeyApple said:
My one single complaint is that if you need a bipod to shoot a deer then you are not yet ready to shoot a deer. That kind of thing is best left to commercial culling or Americans. It is not 'sport' for an Englishman. But it is very fitting for the modern Ferrari image.
There is no 'sport' in wounding game. You use whatever means possible to ensure the cleanest of kills. I'd turn on my heel and walk off the finest of hills or estates if anyone suggested otherwise. No Ghillie or professional stalker worth their salt would suggest otherwise either. I could write screeds about the "modern 'Macnab", but it's best left by simply recommending all readers of this thread to read Buchan's John Macnab . It's a wonderful book.
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