RE: The Ferrari Macnab
Discussion
Papa Hotel said:
Just as an aside, Garlick et al have their positions under their usernames over there <---
It'd be nice to be able to target you too, you need to be more visible.
Anyway, this has caused a nice bit of lively debate, and I'd love an FF (if you are listening Ferrari)
that was pretty good. BaronVonVaderham said:
Crikey, this has bought out the tree-huggers hasn't it?
Fantastic car, good article - very much enjoyed.
Sorry. Please explain how not getting a buzz from shooting animals for sport makes me a tree hugger?Fantastic car, good article - very much enjoyed.
I'd happily kill an animal for food. Just not for when I'm bored and need some excitement.
LuS1fer said:
I forgot to sy the FF is an ugly pig of a car and the designer should be shot. IMHO.
Do you want me to get Dom on the case? And Papa Hotel, not sure what's happened to my profile info. It used to say 'PH Editor bloke' complete with an avatar and all! Gulp...
Finally, Guvernator, it was an experiment and something a bit different. Let's see how it looks once we've got both stories up eh?
Cheers!
Dan
Guvernator said:
Firstly I'd like to say I have no problem with the hunting parts, I eat meat after all so I think it would be a bit hypocritical of me, however my thoughts on the article are thus.
Yes I know PH isn't like other car related media and does try to do somethings a little differently from time to time but I don't think it's quite worked on this occasion. Firstly the fact that the article isn't very well written doesn't help, especially as it's meant to be from a professional journalist, I just don't think it flows very well.
Secondly as I mentioned in my previous post, not enough was written about the car. This is PH, not Countryfile and the article should have been 70% about the car and 30% about the hunting\shooting rather than the other way round.
I know there is another article forthcoming but perhaps instead of splitting the two articles, they could have been combined into one bigger piece which might have balanced out the car\hunting ratio a little better. As it stands this article seems a little incongruous and while I admire the effort to do something a little different, I think personally for me this experiment has failed.
Yes, a single proper article on the car mainly would have been good. I think the deal here is take the first article and introduce PHers to the Youtube channel/site proper, before taking the car related article which would suit Pistonheads better.Yes I know PH isn't like other car related media and does try to do somethings a little differently from time to time but I don't think it's quite worked on this occasion. Firstly the fact that the article isn't very well written doesn't help, especially as it's meant to be from a professional journalist, I just don't think it flows very well.
Secondly as I mentioned in my previous post, not enough was written about the car. This is PH, not Countryfile and the article should have been 70% about the car and 30% about the hunting\shooting rather than the other way round.
I know there is another article forthcoming but perhaps instead of splitting the two articles, they could have been combined into one bigger piece which might have balanced out the car\hunting ratio a little better. As it stands this article seems a little incongruous and while I admire the effort to do something a little different, I think personally for me this experiment has failed.
I see the logic.
Hellbound said:
Sorry. Please explain how not getting a buzz from shooting animals for sport makes me a tree hugger?
I'd happily kill an animal for food. Just not for when I'm bored and need some excitement.
Most animals shot for sport ARE eaten. Nobody's running around machine-gunning unicorns here. I'd happily kill an animal for food. Just not for when I'm bored and need some excitement.
Dan Trent said:
Papa Hotel said:
I'm not sure which of you is ultimately in charge of what gets published, but would you care to comment on why anyone thought this was A Good Idea?
That'll be me!Before I do - and just to reiterate an earlier point I made - we have a 'straight' roadtest based on Dom's time (and considerable mileage!) with the car coming too so hang fire for that if you're wanting the more conventional roadtest impressions.
But in response to your main point Dom is a respected fieldsports AND motoring journalist with a great deal of experience in both. A bloodthirsty motoring hack handed a rifle/shotgun/fishing rod and told to go and kill something for the hell of it he is not.
And I realise the subject of hunting is not one that's going to appeal to everyone and I respect the views of anyone who finds it distasteful. But there was never any attempt to hide this element of the story and there is the choice in whether or not to read it.
Why did we run it? Mainly because it combined Dom's twin areas of expertise in a very unusual fashion in a way I thought would make an interesting and entertaining feature. 'Shooting brake' is a term applied to cars of this type and has been for many years but there aren't many folk who could assess its abilities in both regards and I thought it an interesting and unusual story. Anyone could do a straight roadtest of the FF, or take it to a track and get some sideways photos or whatever, but to my mind the ultimate PH barometer of a car's worth is to test whether or not it's fit for purpose. And this was an unusual opportunity to do just that.
As I said to to LongLiveTazio, I'm sorry it wasn't to your tastes and hopefully Dom's straight review of the car itself will be. That's scheduled to go live on Monday.
By all means debate the issues but let's keep it civilised and constructive, eh?
Cheers,
Dan
Edited by Dan Trent on Friday 9th November 12:18
te Clio from Renault. Its about time we had more "fk the poor" articles on PH 
Can we have one about someone taking a 2nd hand Bentley you can get for £15k now and doing a Blue Train run? Take a brand new Benters along as some sort of comparison aswell.BaronVonVaderham said:
Most animals shot for sport ARE eaten. Nobody's running around machine-gunning unicorns here.
So why not teach the unemployed to shoot and then they can hunt these animals and not leech the system of benefits. Mind you, landowners get upset enough about riff-raff nicking their rabbits. On the other hand, I'd like to see the outcry if we started hunting cows and pigs instead of humanely killing them.I'd also like to say I appreciate the effort to vary the types of articles on here. It's been slow going over the last couple of weeks with very few stories being posted. I guess I'm being spoiled by other sites (tech sites + Jalopnik) with vastly more resources, but I understand not everyone has the luxury of hundreds of journo/bloggers contributing an article every 15 mins.
Though EVO moves at a positively glacial pace in comparison.
Though EVO moves at a positively glacial pace in comparison.
LuS1fer said:
BaronVonVaderham said:
Most animals shot for sport ARE eaten. Nobody's running around machine-gunning unicorns here.
So why not teach the unemployed to shoot and then they can hunt these animals and not leech the system of benefits. Mind you, landowners get upset enough about riff-raff nicking their rabbits. On the other hand, I'd like to see the outcry if we started hunting cows and pigs instead of humanely killing them.In 'the olden days' it was the poor who hunted and foraged the lands. Urban farming is just the beginning, we'll be taking your guns next. Mehehehehe....!
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 9th November 12:51
BaronVonVaderham said:
Raify said:
How would you know it's a fantastic car? All I can tell is that it does 250 miles to a tank.
I think it looks fantastic and the practical aspects are appealing. Sadly I've not had the chance to peddle such exotica yet.Writing a road test of a car can often result in a dry, boring piece full of cliches. That's one of the reasons Top Gear have swung into the entertainment / race arena. I presume that's what was attempted here, but what we got was a story about hunting.
Now I'm no "hunting hater", but PH is not where I come to get my hunting and fishing fix.
If the story had contained even 10% more car and less hunting, it might have worked.
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