RE: Driven: Aston Martin Vanquish
Discussion
F1GTRUeno said:
whoami said:
London John said:
I bought a brand new well optioned Ferrari FF for £7k more than this car lists.
Aston have some serious work to do.
I didn't realise that Ferrari discounted even more than AM?Aston have some serious work to do.
king ugly the FF is.I'll grant you that the DB9 in it's original incarnation was pretty, but this thing is a poorly chavved up rehash.
Rushmore said:
Just imagine "Arbeit macht frei" in your Volkswagen, or "Vorsprung durch Technik" in your Audi" or, "Muskulöse Geschäftsführer mit Kinnbart haben einen großen Aal" in your Mercedes. Simply annoying, and even more in a car like a DB9 which really does not need any driver brainwashing to make it feel special.
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There is some bGeorge H said:
Obiwonkeyblokey said:
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I wanted a DB9, have wanted one for some time. Finally got the money together and went to drive one.
Started it up and drove about and questioned the start up message with the Sales guy.
It genuinely put me off so much that it put me off the car and I went and looked at other options. I dont know why, it was not rational, however having that message flashing up was to me extrenely tacky and it would have spoilt the ownership experience. For me it made me feel like the car was more of fashion accessory with too much input from marketers than the Aston experience I was expecting.(...)
That's the most pathetic reason for not buying a car I have ever heard. I wanted a DB9, have wanted one for some time. Finally got the money together and went to drive one.
Started it up and drove about and questioned the start up message with the Sales guy.
It genuinely put me off so much that it put me off the car and I went and looked at other options. I dont know why, it was not rational, however having that message flashing up was to me extrenely tacky and it would have spoilt the ownership experience. For me it made me feel like the car was more of fashion accessory with too much input from marketers than the Aston experience I was expecting.(...)
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ks posted in this thread. Trust me here, some little message on the dashboard in a tiny window is far from annoying. So far so that its never really noticed. In fact it is rarely on as you have the engine up before it even starts to scroll.Not buying an an Aston due to this, well, if that is true you have some serious OCD issues and I am amazed that you have ever managed to purchase anything.
As for the new one, waiting for it now. Simply gorgeous and a joy to drive. Why would I buy this over a 458 or a Lambo, simple really. At 45 I have no desire to look like a complete tit getting in and out of these over-styled pieces of Italian flash (great cars though they may be). When you drive an Aston your experiences with other motorists are very pleasant. All thumbs up and lovely car mate. It a very special place to be and is genuinely understated yet stunning. In a Lamo or ferrari the reaction is more, check out the d
head.If you are 20 something you might get away with the Lambo/Fezza, at 30 something you are pushing it. Once you get to 40 something you look and feel like a complete knob.
Ps, have never met a footballer or celeb for that matter at any Aston event I have ever attended. So again, the footballers, celebs comment. Total nonsense
Wills2 said:
Agreed, everyone loves to see an Aston on the road, but I think making the reaction of other road users to your choice of car a major part of the purchase rationale is a bit strange too.
Who cares what anyone else thinks? Anyway enjoy your new beast when it comes....
Not really, have experienced driving a ferrari around for while, was not a pleasant experience on the road in general. As also mentioned, with my age I also felt somewhat stupid in it. Hearing people sneer at you and shout derogatory comments somewhat takes away the pleasure factor and you become very self conscious.Who cares what anyone else thinks? Anyway enjoy your new beast when it comes....
sgq89 said:
It certainly doesnt look better. There is a man down my road who works for Aston Martin and he actually has a dark blue one of these frequently on his drive (much to my suprise, its been on his drive for months, he also had one covered in a disguising tape, but it is 100% the new vanquish) and I can tell you now that its actually shocking how plastic and cheap it looks up close. The previous one looks like an expensive, solid piece of kit. Honestly chaps, up close in the flesh, this actually looks very poor and flimsy. Its a wonder they can get away with selling it at the price they will charge. Poor product. Go for the SLS or the Ferrari California/F12b
Also, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds? Are we still in 1996? Not exactly slow but for your flagship car costing £190k...not quick enough.
Actually I think it looks plastic in the pictures. The last Vanquish was a beautiful muscular looking beast, this looks like just another DB9 clone!Also, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds? Are we still in 1996? Not exactly slow but for your flagship car costing £190k...not quick enough.
Edited by sgq89 on Wednesday 14th November 11:11
I feel sorry for a lot of you guys on here . It's sad that you can be successful enough to buy 2/3/400 000 pound cars and yet still insecure enough worry so much about how you are perceived by some fool on the street that you don't even know and will never probably even meet . I drive and buy what I like and couldn't give a rats behind what people think of it , never even given it a second thought .
Edited by wtdoom on Sunday 18th November 16:07
wtdoom said:
I feel sorry for a lot of you guys on here . It's sad that you can be successful enough to buy 2/3/400 000 pound cars and yet still insecure enough worry so much about how you are perceived by some fool on the street that you don't even know and will never probably even meet . I drive and buy what I like and couldn't give a rats behind what people think of it , never even given it a second thought .
Thanks for that, I feel so much better for having your pity. If only I could be like you my life would be so much more fulfilled Edited by wtdoom on Sunday 18th November 16:07
chris182 said:
This thread really is very amusing.
AM know they are only going to sell these to footballers, WAGs and business men. This is why it looks like a chavved up DB9, because that is exactly what the target market want.
Whether it has 575bhp of 1000bhp is only relevant so Wayne Rooney can boast to John Terry that his car is more powerful than theirs, there is no way that you can use more than a tiny fraction of any modern supercars performance anywhere other than a few stretches of autobahn in Germany. These will hardly ever be used on track but mostly for sitting in traffic in central london so whether the gearbox has 6 or 8 speeds is equally irrelevant.
All that really matters with a car like this is that it makes a nice noise, looks shiny and fast, costs a little bit more than the competition for bragging rights and can be driven safely by imbeciles. Sadly this means it lacks any of the class of the Astons of old but this is a reflection on today's society rather than any commercial or design mistakes made by Aston Martin.
Very cynical view you have there. The engineers developing these cars don't share your view, they are focused on improving the performance in every area, not just top speed. Whether or not most customers use that performance is hardly the point. I've engaged with customers that push supercars extremely hard on public roads, when they are happy then the engineers involved are also satisfied. I agree with you that some, maybe most, people are motivated to own a supercar simply by the status that they think it brings, however that's not the customer that the engineers are focusing on.AM know they are only going to sell these to footballers, WAGs and business men. This is why it looks like a chavved up DB9, because that is exactly what the target market want.
Whether it has 575bhp of 1000bhp is only relevant so Wayne Rooney can boast to John Terry that his car is more powerful than theirs, there is no way that you can use more than a tiny fraction of any modern supercars performance anywhere other than a few stretches of autobahn in Germany. These will hardly ever be used on track but mostly for sitting in traffic in central london so whether the gearbox has 6 or 8 speeds is equally irrelevant.
All that really matters with a car like this is that it makes a nice noise, looks shiny and fast, costs a little bit more than the competition for bragging rights and can be driven safely by imbeciles. Sadly this means it lacks any of the class of the Astons of old but this is a reflection on today's society rather than any commercial or design mistakes made by Aston Martin.
Chim said:
wtdoom said:
I feel sorry for a lot of you guys on here . It's sad that you can be successful enough to buy 2/3/400 000 pound cars and yet still insecure enough worry so much about how you are perceived by some fool on the street that you don't even know and will never probably even meet . I drive and buy what I like and couldn't give a rats behind what people think of it , never even given it a second thought .
Thanks for that, I feel so much better for having your pity. If only I could be like you my life would be so much more fulfilled Edited by wtdoom on Sunday 18th November 16:07
London John said:
F1GTRUeno said:
whoami said:
London John said:
I bought a brand new well optioned Ferrari FF for £7k more than this car lists.
Aston have some serious work to do.
I didn't realise that Ferrari discounted even more than AM?Aston have some serious work to do.
king ugly the FF is.I'll grant you that the DB9 in it's original incarnation was pretty, but this thing is a poorly chavved up rehash.
The front splitter for example certainly has an element of the Ferrari California about it, I feel for the AM design team, damned if they do, damned if they don't, either way "chavved up rehash" is pretty harsh isn't it? Read that and thought "ouch"...
What you are referring to is an engineering 'development car' and which certainly does not represent the production product. I've seen the production version up close and I can guarantee it bears no absolutely resemblance to your comments. It is very beautiful and with some very subtle curves and features which have only now been made possible via the extensive use of carbon rather than aluminium.
sgq89 said:
It certainly doesnt look better. There is a man down my road who works for Aston Martin and he actually has a dark blue one of these frequently on his drive (much to my suprise, its been on his drive for months, he also had one covered in a disguising tape, but it is 100% the new vanquish) and I can tell you now that its actually shocking how plastic and cheap it looks up close. The previous one looks like an expensive, solid piece of kit. Honestly chaps, up close in the flesh, this actually looks very poor and flimsy. Its a wonder they can get away with selling it at the price they will charge. Poor product. Go for the SLS or the Ferrari California/F12b
Also, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds? Are we still in 1996? Not exactly slow but for your flagship car costing £190k...not quick enough.
Also, 0-60 in 4.1 seconds? Are we still in 1996? Not exactly slow but for your flagship car costing £190k...not quick enough.
Edited by sgq89 on Wednesday 14th November 11:11
JaseB said:
London John said:
F1GTRUeno said:
whoami said:
London John said:
I bought a brand new well optioned Ferrari FF for £7k more than this car lists.
Aston have some serious work to do.
I didn't realise that Ferrari discounted even more than AM?Aston have some serious work to do.
king ugly the FF is.I'll grant you that the DB9 in it's original incarnation was pretty, but this thing is a poorly chavved up rehash.
The front splitter for example certainly has an element of the Ferrari California about it, I feel for the AM design team, damned if they do, damned if they don't, either way "chavved up rehash" is pretty harsh isn't it? Read that and thought "ouch"...
There was a very observant post in this thread to the effect that 95% of people wouldn't be able to tell this car apart from a DB9, which I think says it all. The "range" of AM models is really nothing of the sort, it's all very marginal. I would be hard pressed to pick the models apart at 100 yards in twilight, whereas with, for example, Ferrari you'd never confuse one model with another (for right or wrong). I appreciate that AM is a small independent compared to the Fiat/Ferrari machine, but they need to address their propensity to respond to a limited development budget by making minor tweaks at the margin on an already tired look. Don't get me wrong, I loved the DB9. Hell, I owned one for two years. What I say about AM is tinged with disappointment as I'd much rather buy "British" than Italian......but it's just not a realistic choice.
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