RE: Driven: Toyota GT86 JRM Racing/Sumo Power
Discussion
robinandcamera said:
Yep, more like 12-13 for that at least. Air jacks I understand as its just their development car.
Like I said before, the brakes alone will cost a minimum of 4k surely.
~ £1700 for the front 6 pot kit and ~ £1400 for the rear 4 pot kit, RRP. AP don't do discounting, so they'd be expensive if retro-fitted. If these brakes come as part of a £4K package with a bunch of other bits, bite their hands off!Like I said before, the brakes alone will cost a minimum of 4k surely.
Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
FWDRacer said:
Captain Muppet said:
Yes, because the very best bit of a 205 GTi is that they make significantly over 200bhp. Not the chassis, not the handling, not the feedback, it's the power that makes a 205 special 
This thread is about a modified road car for usage on the track. Apples with apples sunshine 
You called the GT86 "limp wristed". My point is that there are things other than speed round a track that make cars fun, and I thought that someone who liked 205 GTis might understand that.
In terms of fun/£ the 205 GTi wins, but then so do a million other old cars.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
robinandcamera said:
Yep, more like 12-13 for that at least. Air jacks I understand as its just their development car.
Like I said before, the brakes alone will cost a minimum of 4k surely.
~ £1700 for the front 6 pot kit and ~ £1400 for the rear 4 pot kit, RRP. AP don't do discounting, so they'd be expensive if retro-fitted. If these brakes come as part of a £4K package with a bunch of other bits, bite their hands off!Like I said before, the brakes alone will cost a minimum of 4k surely.
Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
It sounds unbelievable unless they are selling the new car directly, i.e buying bulk unfinished cars from Toyota (no wheels, brakes, suspension etc) then fitting the parts and selling on for £30k new. Not sure how it works tbh, just a guess.
The trouble with 205 GTi etc comparisons is that despite the relative modest weight of the GT86, it is still a very grown-up, bloated car compared to cars of the 80's.
Mid 7's 0-60 felt far more exciting in 'fag-packet' weight cars, with non (or simple) powered steering, unsophisticated suspension and narrow tyres of near 30 years ago.
GT86 is too competent for its power output.
Mid 7's 0-60 felt far more exciting in 'fag-packet' weight cars, with non (or simple) powered steering, unsophisticated suspension and narrow tyres of near 30 years ago.
GT86 is too competent for its power output.
The counter argument wasn't based on comparing designs of certain ages, it was to highlight the blind reassurance based on crud journalism that this Toyobaru and only effectively a RWD car was essentially right, and anything else was wrong wheel drive and hence couldn't be appreciated for it's exploitability/handling balance, and wouldn't therefore be an appropriate car to track.
Using the Pug - I was stressing a point to make one. A 1.9 GTi with some torsion beam work would still lay waste to this brand spanking new focused sports car mind. Progress Eh?
Anyways - back to my knitting.
Using the Pug - I was stressing a point to make one. A 1.9 GTi with some torsion beam work would still lay waste to this brand spanking new focused sports car mind. Progress Eh?
Anyways - back to my knitting.
FWDRacer said:
The counter argument wasn't based on comparing designs of certain ages, it was to highlight the blind reassurance based on crud journalism that this Toyobaru and only effectively a RWD car was essentially right, and anything else was wrong wheel drive and hence couldn't be appreciated for it's exploitability/handling balance, and wouldn't therefore be an appropriate car to track.
Using the Pug - I was stressing a point to make one. A 1.9 GTi with some torsion beam work would still lay waste to this brand spanking new focused sports car mind. Progress Eh?
Anyways - back to my knitting.
I totally agree with you on PH's lazy/trolling use of "right-wheel drive". I don't have any particular RWD/FWD axe to grind, I was replying to your post calling the GT86 limp wristed, and suggesting that speed around a track isn't the thing that's important.Using the Pug - I was stressing a point to make one. A 1.9 GTi with some torsion beam work would still lay waste to this brand spanking new focused sports car mind. Progress Eh?
Anyways - back to my knitting.
I'm off to window shop for DC2 Integras now, I've spent too long on GT86 threads.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
~ £1700 for the front 6 pot kit and ~ £1400 for the rear 4 pot kit, RRP. AP don't do discounting, so they'd be expensive if retro-fitted. If these brakes come as part of a £4K package with a bunch of other bits, bite their hands off!
Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
I can only see 6 pot kits for about 1800 ex vat on balance Motorsport. If this car comes with brakes like this for that price I agree, bargain!Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
I went stoptech as AP were too rich for my blood. I can't fault them, massive improvement, but drifting off topic here...
FWDRacer said:
+1.
Because FWD cars are no Fun, aren't they? A gently tweaked 205GTi would Piss all over this on a track. And be just as much fun. And all for pocket money in comparison.
I suppose that depends massively on your definition of fun. I personally wouldn't touch the 205 with a bargepole when up against the GT86.Because FWD cars are no Fun, aren't they? A gently tweaked 205GTi would Piss all over this on a track. And be just as much fun. And all for pocket money in comparison.
robinandcamera said:
SuperchargedVR6 said:
~ £1700 for the front 6 pot kit and ~ £1400 for the rear 4 pot kit, RRP. AP don't do discounting, so they'd be expensive if retro-fitted. If these brakes come as part of a £4K package with a bunch of other bits, bite their hands off!
Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
I can only see 6 pot kits for about 1800 ex vat on balance Motorsport. If this car comes with brakes like this for that price I agree, bargain!Having fitted AP brakes to a road car in the past, I can tell you they are well worth the money. Amazing anchors
I went stoptech as AP were too rich for my blood. I can't fault them, massive improvement, but drifting off topic here...
I wouldn't worry about going OT as the thread has already plunged into a FWD vs RWD debate
But it is OnT in a way if it's the brakes the car is fitted with
Very, very addictive brakes. You will find the middle pedal way more exciting than the right one!Edited by SuperchargedVR6 on Friday 23 November 15:05
Going by a lot of the comments in this thread, I'm going to assume these various bolt on kits available also come with a 5 year warranty too.
Like I said earlier, the latest news suggests that Toyota and Subaru are going to abandon any plans of offering forced induction and instead will look at add another 20+bhp through other means.
If that's not good enough, you may as well go ahead and turn your new GT86 into something ridiculous like this;
Like I said earlier, the latest news suggests that Toyota and Subaru are going to abandon any plans of offering forced induction and instead will look at add another 20+bhp through other means.
If that's not good enough, you may as well go ahead and turn your new GT86 into something ridiculous like this;
Love the usual PH FWD v RWD inevitable argument, I've been embrroiled in a few, as far as the "right wheel drive" comment being trolling, I'd disagree, I refer to any RWD car as proper wheel drive amongst my peers even when I've been driving FWD, it's a turn of phrase, get over it.
Re the car, if that package is £4k then its well worth it as the component parts adn fitting more than add up to that if you want to go and buy them yourself!
Re the car, if that package is £4k then its well worth it as the component parts adn fitting more than add up to that if you want to go and buy them yourself!
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