RE: Spotted: Honda Civic Type-R JDM
Discussion
Dagnut said:
DC5 not far of this for 1/3rd of the price
But this is rare as rocking horse s
t, and it's faster and better. It tends to make more than quoted on dyno's as well, from the little ive seen of it. In a straight line it was quicker than my slighty modded DC5 to my surprise lol and in the bends it would be futher ahead.DC5 looks wayyyyy better though.
It's a lot of money, but if thats what people pay for em, thats what there worth. Seriously whats the point of putting links up to 13 year old M3's and 10 year old Tegs and saying you could have those and change. Stupid.
stew-S160 said:
I keep thinking this should be my next car, but I can't get the FWD out of my mind. Having owned a DC2 ITR, I know it's not that much of an issue, but I'm definitely in the 'RWD=right wheel drive' camp.
Still, a test drive when I'm ready should help my decision making. I would love another Type R.
I'm with you on this. It can be irritating how good wrong-wheel-drive stuff can be! Totally undermines us RWD people!Still, a test drive when I'm ready should help my decision making. I would love another Type R.
I enjoyed my Clio 182, but my track Midget is more fun...
Grovsie26 said:
But this is rare as rocking horse st, and it's faster and better. It tends to make more than quoted on dyno's as well, from the little ive seen of it. In a straight line it was quicker than my slighty modded DC5 to my surprise lol and in the bends it would be futher ahead.
DC5 looks wayyyyy better though.
It's a lot of money, but if thats what people pay for em, that's what there worth. Seriously whats the point of putting links up to 13 year old M3's and 10 year old Tegs and saying you could have those and change. Stupid.
I just don't think this car is that much of a leap froward from the DC5 is the point I am making.t, and it's faster and better. It tends to make more than quoted on dyno's as well, from the little ive seen of it. In a straight line it was quicker than my slighty modded DC5 to my surprise lol and in the bends it would be futher ahead.DC5 looks wayyyyy better though.
It's a lot of money, but if thats what people pay for em, that's what there worth. Seriously whats the point of putting links up to 13 year old M3's and 10 year old Tegs and saying you could have those and change. Stupid.
I didn't mention M3's but look at the progression of those cars for example (some might say it's actually regression but bare with me), from the E46 to the E92 M3..big leap forward.
I've always been a big JDM fan..have had a few of them, but with the exception of the GTR (you could argue this is an entirely new car) I don't think many of the Icon's have moved on..I think they peaked around 2000-2002, the newer models not really offering a whole lot more.
Bug Sti, EVO 6 Mak, DC5...none of these cars made any huge leap forwards IMO.
Well yeah i agree somewhat but a slighty unfair comparison. Type R's will always have a high revving 2.0Litre and the evo's and scooby's always had the same 2 litre turbo's etc. BMW are a much bigger company, and went from a straight 6 to a V8 lol. How much better/faster can you expect a car to be with all but the same engine.
The japs have there hand forced by engine regs and tax on engine sizes more than we do.
The japs have there hand forced by engine regs and tax on engine sizes more than we do.
Grovsie26 said:
Well yeah i agree somewhat but a slighty unfair comparison. Type R's will always have a high revving 2.0Litre and the evo's and scooby's always had the same 2 litre turbo's etc. BMW are a much bigger company, and went from a straight 6 to a V8 lol. How much better/faster can you expect a car to be with all but the same engine.
The japs have there hand forced by engine regs and tax on engine sizes more than we do.
Just while M3's where mentioned..you could look at hot hatches then...look at where the Europeans have gone with hot hatchs...As I said I'm a JDM fan but you have to be objectiveThe japs have there hand forced by engine regs and tax on engine sizes more than we do.
Dagnut said:
Just while M3's where mentioned..you could look at hot hatches then...look at where the Europeans have gone with hot hatchs...As I said I'm a JDM fan but you have to be objective
And what have the europeans done? Just added bigger blowers to the same engine? and made there cars fatter and heavier.I have little doubt on track or round a twisty b-road a FD2 would be right up the arse end of all these new hot hatches. And the FD2 is over 5 years old now.
Or i could be really dumb and say buy a FD2 for 14-16k which can be done, and spend the 10k you saved on the current hot hatches on mods. Then what?
I don't get your point mate. Are you saying you want Honda to make hatches like everyone else? They don't make anything like that now lol.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
£18k? Fantasy.
Indeed.You could buy this - http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
....and this - http://classifieds.pistonheads.com/classifieds/use...
...and still have some pocket money left.
The Civic is a great car but oh my it looks pants in silver, white all the way.
kayzee said:
Wow didn't realise they were that cheap now! DC5 is one of my most wanted...
The Civic is a great car but oh my it looks pants in silver, white all the way.
Well perhaps if no one likes it in silver, I'll wait for the price to drop due to no demand and bag it! The Civic is a great car but oh my it looks pants in silver, white all the way.
Had a white DC2 and it just looked 'grubby' all the time. Perhaps I should have washed it more? Who knows? Too late now I got rid ages ago.
Awesome car. Never driven one, but all the magazines seem to rave about it and if the engine is any better than the K20 in the CTR or the F20 in the S2000, then I'm sure it would be incredible. I love the appearance too. Looks functional and weapon-like!
The depreciation is an interesting point too. I wonder if the N/A Honda cars will go up in value (DC2, DC5, EP3, S2000 etc) because the next car will be a turbo motor?
The depreciation is an interesting point too. I wonder if the N/A Honda cars will go up in value (DC2, DC5, EP3, S2000 etc) because the next car will be a turbo motor?
FD2 is a good car and better than the Fn2 in standard form yes.
However you can pick a clean low mileage FN2 up for about 7k now spend 4k on it and it will slaughter a standard FD2. Although saying that you could always buy an EP3 for £3k and spend the same and be even quicker and have even more change left.
However you can pick a clean low mileage FN2 up for about 7k now spend 4k on it and it will slaughter a standard FD2. Although saying that you could always buy an EP3 for £3k and spend the same and be even quicker and have even more change left.
Grovsie26 said:
And what have the europeans done? Just added bigger blowers to the same engine? and made there cars fatter and heavier.
I have little doubt on track or round a twisty b-road a FD2 would be right up the arse end of all these new hot hatches. And the FD2 is over 5 years old now.
Or i could be really dumb and say buy a FD2 for 14-16k which can be done, and spend the 10k you saved on the current hot hatches on mods. Then what?
I don't get your point mate. Are you saying you want Honda to make hatches like everyone else? They don't make anything like that now lol.
I have little doubt on track or round a twisty b-road a FD2 would be right up the arse end of all these new hot hatches. And the FD2 is over 5 years old now.
Or i could be really dumb and say buy a FD2 for 14-16k which can be done, and spend the 10k you saved on the current hot hatches on mods. Then what?
I don't get your point mate. Are you saying you want Honda to make hatches like everyone else? They don't make anything like that now lol.
My point is about progression...how can you bring mods into the debate?..that is dumb you are right.
Cars are heavier now out of necessity, no one sets out to make a heavy car , that is just ridiculous and it's because of equipment levels,dimensions and safety standards that have to be met.
the EP3 was the best of it's generation and it got worse if anything, you need to go to a 25k JDM model to get a better car.
DC5 to FD2 not a massive leap forward was my original point.
Focus RS mk1 to MK2...big leap forward ...300bhp, Revo-Knuckle etc...
I'm not comparing the Focus RS to the FD2, different experiences appeal to different people, I am comparing the progression similar models have made...I think 95% of the experience of the FD2 can be had in a DC5
I would LOVE an FD2, would have to be in white though. From the people ive spoke to and things i have read they are meant to be an extremely impressive car.
Interesting point made in regards to the depreciation. The right Honda can hold its value extremely well. Take for instance the EK9 vs the EP3. A UK EP3 can now be bought for as little as £3000 wheras a JDM EK9 will still demand £6000! The depreciation of the EK9 has bottomed out a long time ago and i think if anything the right example will go up!
In my opinion the JDM DC2 and the JDM DC5 will take a similar path. Although the DC5 is a cracking car, the DC2 is regarded as the more involving, more racing orientated older brother (the same as the EK9)!
Although the DC5 and the EP3 may be better cars on paper the DC2 and the EK9 are much more fun and this is what people who normally buy these cars are interested in!
Interesting point made in regards to the depreciation. The right Honda can hold its value extremely well. Take for instance the EK9 vs the EP3. A UK EP3 can now be bought for as little as £3000 wheras a JDM EK9 will still demand £6000! The depreciation of the EK9 has bottomed out a long time ago and i think if anything the right example will go up!
In my opinion the JDM DC2 and the JDM DC5 will take a similar path. Although the DC5 is a cracking car, the DC2 is regarded as the more involving, more racing orientated older brother (the same as the EK9)!
Although the DC5 and the EP3 may be better cars on paper the DC2 and the EK9 are much more fun and this is what people who normally buy these cars are interested in!
18K? hmmmmm
You can get a decent Mitsi Evo for a lot less than that and it would tear this a new xxxhole!
In fact you could get a Mitsi Evo, a good daily driver and go on a nice holiday.
You would have to be as mad as Mad Frankie Fraser's mad dog to buy this car
You can get a decent Mitsi Evo for a lot less than that and it would tear this a new xxxhole!
In fact you could get a Mitsi Evo, a good daily driver and go on a nice holiday.
You would have to be as mad as Mad Frankie Fraser's mad dog to buy this car
Edited by anything fast on Tuesday 27th November 14:44
Dagnut said:
you could look at hot hatches then...look at where the Europeans have gone with hot hatchs
Piling on loads of weight, needing more and more boost to compensate for the weight? Needing huge tyres and clever diff technology to get the power to the road? This is not necessarily "progress" for the petrol head. The Focus RS MK1 was in the bracket with the EP3, but the RS MK2 is not in the same bracket as the RS MK1 - it's much bigger, heavier, more powerful and more expensive. These days, when you look at a new Astra VXR costing £27,000, compared to what the Type Rs cost new, you have to wonder why it's so much more expensive - it's all down to playing the spec wars with the Germans.
With the death of the NA Type R and the last NA RS Clios going through the showrooms, it's not bright future for those people who like light-ish, revvy, driver focused hot hatches. The Clio is going up in weight, downsizing in engine and going turbocharged with a paddle shift gearbox - if that doesn't signify an iconic hot hatch changing tack from keen driver's car to something else entirely then I don't know what it is. I just hope that Honda's next Type R, which unfortunately will be turbocharged, retains the core values that made the Type R brand great; light for it's class, an engine that loves to rev and power that increases into a surge towards the redline, rather than the typical turbo delivery of other hot hatches that become breathless as the redline approaches.
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