RE: TVR moulds & jigs scrapped?
Discussion
RTH said:
What a disaster this whole saga has been. If only Peter Wheeler had not sold it out,when and to whom he did , they might have still been making cars in some form today. Sad loss to the British car scene.Bad news.
I doubt it, why do you suppose he sold? The Russian might have put it out of its misery faster, but there can be no doubt it was going that way anyway.
Modern cars are just too sophisticated for a firm like that to compete, why do you think companies like Lamborghini are now owned by VAG?
You need to remember that for every genuine TVR enthusiast you'd sell a brand new TVR to, you'd need 10 other buyers that just wanted a fast flash car and those buyers just aren't prepared to put up with woeful crash performance, no abs, no airbags, and Ford Fiesta indicator stalks.
I think it's a shame, but the honest truth is that there's no place for such outmoded cars anymore.
Two things.
1. Who the f
k let sainsburys put their sodding adverts all over the mobile site?
2. It never ceases to amaze me that people run TVR down. TVR built some of the most engaging and exciting cars ever seen. They did this at a price point that was amazing. The fact legislation had a large part to play in the companies downfall is a real shame. That it follows that a Russian brat oversaw the final months so badly rubbed salt into the wound.
1. Who the f
k let sainsburys put their sodding adverts all over the mobile site?2. It never ceases to amaze me that people run TVR down. TVR built some of the most engaging and exciting cars ever seen. They did this at a price point that was amazing. The fact legislation had a large part to play in the companies downfall is a real shame. That it follows that a Russian brat oversaw the final months so badly rubbed salt into the wound.
one of the worst cars i have worked on, built to the same quality as a reliant 3 wheeler and about as safe. quote=Ari]
I doubt it, why do you suppose he sold?
The Russian might have put it out of its misery faster, but there can be no doubt it was going that way anyway.
Modern cars are just too sophisticated for a firm like that to compete, why do you think companies like Lamborghini are now owned by VAG?
You need to remember that for every genuine TVR enthusiast you'd sell a brand new TVR to, you'd need 10 other buyers that just wanted a fast flash car and those buyers just aren't prepared to put up with woeful crash performance, no abs, no airbags, and Ford Fiesta indicator stalks.
I think it's a shame, but the honest truth is that there's no place for such outmoded cars anymore.
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I doubt it, why do you suppose he sold?
The Russian might have put it out of its misery faster, but there can be no doubt it was going that way anyway.
Modern cars are just too sophisticated for a firm like that to compete, why do you think companies like Lamborghini are now owned by VAG?
You need to remember that for every genuine TVR enthusiast you'd sell a brand new TVR to, you'd need 10 other buyers that just wanted a fast flash car and those buyers just aren't prepared to put up with woeful crash performance, no abs, no airbags, and Ford Fiesta indicator stalks.
I think it's a shame, but the honest truth is that there's no place for such outmoded cars anymore.
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It's strange how someone like Horatio Pagani can come along and build automotive art from scratch while using foreign engines, and yet there's nobody on Earth who can inject the same creative genius into TVR.
We get the same bullst excuses; 'production costs are too high' or 'there's no market for it' or 'it's not sustainable'. In truth, they're all lazy, talentless fools who like pottering around in overalls but don't have the enigmatic persona to make things happen.
There will always be a market for something that's truly unique and sublimely beautiful.
TVR needed a visionary.
As for £50million for a new car. Gordon Murray has shown it's possible to build an entirely new platform, car and production method that's scalable to whatever size you need for less. Sure it's just a concept and needs financial partners for commercial implementation on a massive scale, but how much money do you need to churn out a small number of cars a year using the same technology? Pagani are building a car a month.
I blame the National Lottery. If my Euromillions numbers had come up I'd have broken Smolensky's legs and gotten hold of TVR a long time ago.
We get the same bulls
t excuses; 'production costs are too high' or 'there's no market for it' or 'it's not sustainable'. In truth, they're all lazy, talentless fools who like pottering around in overalls but don't have the enigmatic persona to make things happen. There will always be a market for something that's truly unique and sublimely beautiful.
TVR needed a visionary.
As for £50million for a new car. Gordon Murray has shown it's possible to build an entirely new platform, car and production method that's scalable to whatever size you need for less. Sure it's just a concept and needs financial partners for commercial implementation on a massive scale, but how much money do you need to churn out a small number of cars a year using the same technology? Pagani are building a car a month.
I blame the National Lottery. If my Euromillions numbers had come up I'd have broken Smolensky's legs and gotten hold of TVR a long time ago.
PascalBuyens said:
Sad but anyone hoping that TVR will ever be back as a car company... wake up.
They are back, in a way:http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRFt24Xte5...
RTH said:
What a disaster this whole saga has been. If only Peter Wheeler had not sold it out,when and to whom he did , they might have still been making cars in some form today. Sad loss to the British car scene.Bad news.
From something I heard they might not have survived as long as they did if Smolenski hadn't come along with his pile of cash when he did. It would have taken another buyer coming along very quickly instead to have made any difference.Hellbound said:
It's strange how someone like Horatio Pagani can come along and build automotive art from scratch while using foreign engines, and yet there's nobody on Earth who can inject the same creative genius into TVR.
We get the same bullst excuses; 'production costs are too high' or 'there's no market for it' or 'it's not sustainable'. In truth, they're all lazy, talentless fools who like pottering around in overalls but don't have the enigmatic persona to make things happen.
There will always be a market for something that's truly unique and sublimely beautiful.
TVR needed a visionary.
I'd say that TVR needed a real game plan, something they just didn't get from the Russian, but to compare them to Pagani is daft. For a start, TVR were making powerful sports cars that were relatively accessible, and Pagani makes extremely low volume, money-no-object cars. The sheer opulence, craftsmanship and exclusivity will ensure that he always has buyers who will throw whatever price he asks at him to get the cars, TVR had a tougher battle of trying to keep up with increasingly sophisticated competition with their fairly unsophisticated technology and techniques, with a limeted budget.We get the same bulls
t excuses; 'production costs are too high' or 'there's no market for it' or 'it's not sustainable'. In truth, they're all lazy, talentless fools who like pottering around in overalls but don't have the enigmatic persona to make things happen. There will always be a market for something that's truly unique and sublimely beautiful.
TVR needed a visionary.
GokTweed said:
I'll get a van and bring the fkers back one by one if i have to!
I will put some dosh in the petrol fund for the van kers back one by one if i have to!
On a serious note if a credible business plan could work and the moulds were near enough intact I seriously believe this could be funded by a variety of means and would happily work to try and get investors
Mastodon2 said:
I'd say that TVR needed a real game plan, something they just didn't get from the Russian, but to compare them to Pagani is daft. For a start, TVR were making powerful sports cars that were relatively accessible, and Pagani makes extremely low volume, money-no-object cars. The sheer opulence, craftsmanship and exclusivity will ensure that he always has buyers who will throw whatever price he asks at him to get the cars, TVR had a tougher battle of trying to keep up with increasingly sophisticated competition with their fairly unsophisticated technology and techniques, with a limeted budget.
Not so daft. Ignore the price for a start. We're not talking 'Pagani engraved on every screw, rivet and bolt' levels of detail here and we're certainly not talking 'polished carbon fiber everything'. It's just a simple matter of good, solid design principles using plastics, glue, cutting edge engineering coupled with beautiful aesthetics. Remember, Pagani built just five Zonda C12's in its first 2 years of existence at under £200k a unit. The point I'm making is there seems to be a culture that is devoid of nurture and consumed with cost cutting to implosion and 'short-termism'. Investors want to see a return on day one or they're just not happy with harboring the risk for anything longer than a nanosecond.
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