RE: Rendezvous? Not in that old banger
Discussion
Trying to be green and not use Le Plastic. Is the film available on what I believe is now called La web? It was on Vimeo but has been deleted. Apparently VBH did a piece on it on Fifth Gear 11/3. Cannot find that either. So apart from JC shouting poweeeeer in the backgrund and cycling somewhere as fast as possible........
As for French cars before 97. Did they made any good ones after 97?
Pre 97....
2CV (Luxury Dolly Version with valouuuuur seats), Diane, DS, The corrugated Citroen Van, Pug 205 1.6 and 1.9, Le Renault fiv Terbooo deux. Renault Alpine both of, Matra Simca Bagera, Saxo (1996), Clio (Vic and Bob version), Pug 406, Renault Espace II, Early Bugatti's (before zee Germans got hold of it), Clio Williams, AMX-56 Leclerc MBT.
Post 97........RCZ & DS3 & Clio V6 and perhaps the Rafale.
So it will ensure everyone starts cycling in Paris gets fed up and move to London. Which is now France's 6th biggest city.
As for French cars before 97. Did they made any good ones after 97?
Pre 97....
2CV (Luxury Dolly Version with valouuuuur seats), Diane, DS, The corrugated Citroen Van, Pug 205 1.6 and 1.9, Le Renault fiv Terbooo deux. Renault Alpine both of, Matra Simca Bagera, Saxo (1996), Clio (Vic and Bob version), Pug 406, Renault Espace II, Early Bugatti's (before zee Germans got hold of it), Clio Williams, AMX-56 Leclerc MBT.
Post 97........RCZ & DS3 & Clio V6 and perhaps the Rafale.
So it will ensure everyone starts cycling in Paris gets fed up and move to London. Which is now France's 6th biggest city.
cml said:
There is already something like this in Germany I believe - where you need to buy a permit thing to enter a city centre, classed by 'emissions', which precludes older cars.
Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
Are you completely sure about this? I go to Germany quite a lot - multiple times this year alone - and I probably see as many if not more classics on their city streets than we do here. In Berlin, Trabant hire is extremely popular and some of those have two-stroke engines!Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
I do wonder how much of our European news is filtered via UKIP before it gets to the British press (I get an awful lot of paranoid press releases from them drawing my attention to 'proposals' as if they were laws).
The Parisian mayor isn't very popular and is up for reelection before this will even be debated. He's just trying to be controversial and the chances of this getting through are slim-to-none.
I'd like to see him explain to some of Paris's biggest revenue-raisers - the annual Rétromobile exhibition and the Paris-based Artcurial classic-car auction house - how and why he intends to casually wipe them out.
cml said:
Being an older type person, I think of 1997 as not that long ago. The newest car I have ever owned was built in 1996.
Getting the number of diesels down would be an effective measure too, but that looks unlikely since governments appear to think they are better (can't they see the puffs of black smoke?).
There is already something like this in Germany I believe - where you need to buy a permit thing to enter a city centre, classed by 'emissions', which precludes older cars.
Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
I know I sound like a right old duffer here - but I find the average modern car dumpy, fat, overly-complicated, and hence expensive to repair, and dull to drive to boot.
Then again I did see the attraction of traction control for a few seconds the other day when I found myself doing a 180 on some ice
One thing that does grate is the EU test for emissions, and hence tax - it is quite clear that lots of 'cheating' (careful optimisation would be a more charitable way of putting it I guess) goes on to get modern cars classified into low brackets. Some are very good at this (cough*BMW*cough).
+1, agree completely. And not to mention the emissions created in making a new car Vs continuing to use an old one. Mine will be a Ferrari F40 please, non-cat Getting the number of diesels down would be an effective measure too, but that looks unlikely since governments appear to think they are better (can't they see the puffs of black smoke?).
There is already something like this in Germany I believe - where you need to buy a permit thing to enter a city centre, classed by 'emissions', which precludes older cars.
Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
I know I sound like a right old duffer here - but I find the average modern car dumpy, fat, overly-complicated, and hence expensive to repair, and dull to drive to boot.
Then again I did see the attraction of traction control for a few seconds the other day when I found myself doing a 180 on some ice
One thing that does grate is the EU test for emissions, and hence tax - it is quite clear that lots of 'cheating' (careful optimisation would be a more charitable way of putting it I guess) goes on to get modern cars classified into low brackets. Some are very good at this (cough*BMW*cough).
Twincam16 said:
cml said:
There is already something like this in Germany I believe - where you need to buy a permit thing to enter a city centre, classed by 'emissions', which precludes older cars.
Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
Are you completely sure about this? I go to Germany quite a lot - multiple times this year alone - and I probably see as many if not more classics on their city streets than we do here. In Berlin, Trabant hire is extremely popular and some of those have two-stroke engines!Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
I do wonder how much of our European news is filtered via UKIP before it gets to the British press (I get an awful lot of paranoid press releases from them drawing my attention to 'proposals' as if they were laws).
The Parisian mayor isn't very popular and is up for reelection before this will even be debated. He's just trying to be controversial and the chances of this getting through are slim-to-none.
I'd like to see him explain to some of Paris's biggest revenue-raisers - the annual Rétromobile exhibition and the Paris-based Artcurial classic-car auction house - how and why he intends to casually wipe them out.
. H plated (historic) cars are completely exempt from this either way Ari said:
mollytherocker said:
If you watch this film closely, the car is not actually travelling that fast at all. The low camera, howling engine and squealing tyres are what provide the drama. Oh, and the near misses too!
I would bet that most of it is no more than 40-50 mph.
Still love it though.
Probably not even that, pretty obviously speeded up in places.I would bet that most of it is no more than 40-50 mph.
Still love it though.
Lot of fuss at one point about how the driver was kept anonymous because of the speeds traveled in public, but clearly that was just a publicity ruse, doubt he went much over 30mph.
smilo996 said:
Is the film available on what I believe is now called La web? It was on Vimeo but has been deleted.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C%27%C3%A9tait_un_rendez-vousIts all over YouTube but few people bother trying to spell the title or the makers name properly. The short is called "C'etait Un Rendez-vous" by Claude Lelouche.
OdramaSwimLaden said:
It'll never happen; about as likely as the Green Party getting their way here.
The public outcry would be huge. The French love a cause almost as much as they love their old s
tters!
I agree!!The public outcry would be huge. The French love a cause almost as much as they love their old s
tters!On the Green Party thing.
I watched a program on TV the other day, "FUTURE WEAPONS" I watched in disgust and disbelief when the Yanks were testing there Total Armoury in the Virgin Alaskan landscape.
The thing that horrified me most was the two Hummer trucks fitted with giant Oil Smoke burners on the back, belching out BILLIONS of litres of black acrid Greenhouse gases in this pristine Territory, not only that they added tons of Pure Carbon Fibre feathers to this mix and fired it into the Clear Atmosphere.
Absolutely unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!
F"N GREEN PARTY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!
GLOBAL WARMING, SHRINKING ICE CAPS, FLOODS, EXTREME WEATHER, HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER?
So next time were asked to contribute taxes/money and cut back on emissions KEEP THE ABOVE IN MIND & LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THIS!!!!
TW>>>
timewatch said:
I agree!!
On the Green Party thing.
I watched a program on TV the other day, "FUTURE WEAPONS" I watched in disgust and disbelief when the Yanks were testing there Total Armoury in the Virgin Alaskan landscape.
The thing that horrified me most was the two Hummer trucks fitted with giant Oil Smoke burners on the back, belching out BILLIONS of litres of black acrid Greenhouse gases in this pristine Territory, not only that they added tons of Pure Carbon Fibre feathers to this mix and fired it into the Clear Atmosphere.
Absolutely unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!
F"N GREEN PARTY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!
GLOBAL WARMING, SHRINKING ICE CAPS, FLOODS, EXTREME WEATHER, HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER?
So next time were asked to contribute taxes/money and cut back on emissions KEEP THE ABOVE IN MIND & LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THIS!!!!
TW>>>
That 2CV so loved by "Green" poseurs chucks out 20x the pollutants of a new Porsche Turbo, always fun reminding them...On the Green Party thing.
I watched a program on TV the other day, "FUTURE WEAPONS" I watched in disgust and disbelief when the Yanks were testing there Total Armoury in the Virgin Alaskan landscape.
The thing that horrified me most was the two Hummer trucks fitted with giant Oil Smoke burners on the back, belching out BILLIONS of litres of black acrid Greenhouse gases in this pristine Territory, not only that they added tons of Pure Carbon Fibre feathers to this mix and fired it into the Clear Atmosphere.
Absolutely unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!
F"N GREEN PARTY DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT!
GLOBAL WARMING, SHRINKING ICE CAPS, FLOODS, EXTREME WEATHER, HOLES IN THE OZONE LAYER?
So next time were asked to contribute taxes/money and cut back on emissions KEEP THE ABOVE IN MIND & LOOK NO FURTHER THAN THIS!!!!
TW>>>
998420 said:
That 2CV so loved by "Green" poseurs chucks out 20x the pollutants of a new Porsche Turbo, always fun reminding them...
Depends on how you measure "pollutants"60MPG - double the MPG of the porker means half the pollutants. If pollutants equals C02.
If it's Sulphur Dioxide or carbon monoxide then yes - they stick some out because they don't have a tube of rare earth metals mined, transported and processed at huge cost to the environment to burn them up in the exhaust. If they did (like the porker) then again, less than half the pollutants.
The above may be advanced pedantry but think before you echo Clarkson's comments from the 90's.
Love rendezvous but always loved getaway in stockholm abit more probally because it was more real http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtHaoHix96U
If it goes ahead bad news for poorer paris residence it seems the majority of french keep thier cars long as possible when i've looked on thier classifeds there are tons of battered 205's with intersteller mileage at stupid prices!
If it goes ahead bad news for poorer paris residence it seems the majority of french keep thier cars long as possible when i've looked on thier classifeds there are tons of battered 205's with intersteller mileage at stupid prices!
Twincam16 said:
cml said:
There is already something like this in Germany I believe - where you need to buy a permit thing to enter a city centre, classed by 'emissions', which precludes older cars.
Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
Are you completely sure about this? I go to Germany quite a lot - multiple times this year alone - and I probably see as many if not more classics on their city streets than we do here. In Berlin, Trabant hire is extremely popular and some of those have two-stroke engines!Even the Germans - and they love their motors.
I feel so sad and angry that there is going to be a ban on classic cars from Paris and other major cities in Europe. I personally now drive an 'eco' car,(Seat Leon Ecomotive-chipped of course,) but also have a Citroen 2CV. I have driven 2CV's for 20 years while also owning and driving some very fast cars. These cars if well maintained are much cleaner than some 10 year old oil burner. Most parts of a classic car can be reused so therefore reducing the carbon footprint. 'New' cars take a huge amount of resources to manufacture and in many cases often don't have a 10 year life span due to faulty electrics systems etc. Don't get me wrong I love getting into a new car and look forward to changing mine every 3-4 years.
If the French Control Technic was enforced the same standards as our MOT, most of the dirty cars would be taken of the road and hopefully some of their dirty buses as well. To see a ban on classics like Sm's, DS's, Tractions etc. or a classic mini seems so wrong.
Has anyone thought about the many hundreds of classic cars that must be garaged within the proposed banned area? Andre Citroen must be turning in his grave.
I hope the French will rise up and block the centre and outskirts of Paris with all their classics for a couple of days to prove the passion for older cars.
If the French Control Technic was enforced the same standards as our MOT, most of the dirty cars would be taken of the road and hopefully some of their dirty buses as well. To see a ban on classics like Sm's, DS's, Tractions etc. or a classic mini seems so wrong.
Has anyone thought about the many hundreds of classic cars that must be garaged within the proposed banned area? Andre Citroen must be turning in his grave.
I hope the French will rise up and block the centre and outskirts of Paris with all their classics for a couple of days to prove the passion for older cars.
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