RE: You Know You Want To: Cadillac CTS-V

[LuS1fer]

For half the cost of an M5, you can get an M3 but they're not comparable.

[HairbearTE]

Great car, that lap time tells you enough. Wouldn't buy from that dealer again though for all the tea in china..

[irocfan]

this or a pig ugly BMW... no contest! CTS-V every time. I'd be a little more stuck lookswise if a Merc were the other option but again once you've got that price differential

[ukmike2000]

I have to say it is sinfully ugly.

From every angle it looks horrible.

But if you picked up a 2nd hand one in a couple of years time for £20k and it goes as well as they say, would the looks matter?

[Matt Harper]

ukmike2000 said:

But if you picked up a 2nd hand one in a couple of years time for £20k and it goes as well as they say, would the looks matter?

2 years old and 20k is not very likely, surely? How many 2010 C6 Corvettes do you see at a quarter of new value?

[LuS1fer]

Matt Harper said:

2 years old and 20k is not very likely, surely? How many 2010 C6 Corvettes do you see at a quarter of new value?

Values of any cars used for business tend to plummet as the purchase cost can be offset against VAT at x % per year so business buyers are more willing to flog them minus this offset which can be substantial.

Had a VERY quick look in the ads and a new 730d BMW is £66k and a 2010 730d with 25000 on the clock is £29k. haven't checked specor anything but clearly the depreciation curve can be cruel indeed.

[AC43]

matthias73 said:

AC43 said:

Origami 370Z in chav white with black rims.

I can see it appealing to five year olds or adults with no discernible taste.

My wife would divorce me if I ever showed up in that.

My lady would, after a week or so, ask why the car is now white.
Not sure who has the best deal there.

Well the real reason she'd divorce me would be because I'd spunked £50k I don't have lying around on a car.

If I did have that sort of money and bought that particular car she's (a) refuse to get in it and (b) suggest I sold it and bought something acceptable to her particular style radar.

I do get to by V8's but they need to be German to keep everyone happy in my household. A reasonable compromise.

[timewatch]

Pistonwot said:

Its amazing.
How can it be that ANY car which doesnt precisely adhere to the mind-numbingly dull Germanic formula of crushing mundanity but with extra bland is pointed at by the UK's many clamouring 'Jones's' clones and tarred as ugly?
The argument is then usually 'justified' (a poor misuse of the word) by mumbling some nonsense about plastics.

Heres an idea, why not think for yourself, get up and actually try something NEW?
It shouldnt hurt and you might like the feeling it gives you.



If you simply dismiss things because you have been told to, (known as a learned response),
well,
you really ought to be ejected from PH for lowering the standard

Dear dear!

Having owned seven American cars filled with PLASTIC in the past ten years or so, three of them Cadillac, I think I/we have an entitlement to gripe at such things, Every other part of that car seem's to be of good standard having seen it in the flesh so-to-speak, but the seat runner covers and switches are straight out of the box standard CTS, now for just a few quid more a little aluminium would have made it just that little more special I'm sure most would agree!

Personally I would have one in a minute if I could afford it regardless of said plastic switches, but then again I'd prefer a C6 Corvette Z06.

So before you go spouting off at what others think or say, know the history of why one would say such a thing, I have tried cars that most wouldn't even consider! HAVE YOU?


TW>>>

[AudiRS6]

Just looks like a big fat hamburger! Interior looks like it came from a capri!

[LuS1fer]

AudiRS6 said:

Just looks like a big fat hamburger! Interior looks like it came from a capri!

Yeah like this is what people want... a German version of a cowboy boot.

[irocfan]

LuS1fer said:

Yeah like this is what people want... a German version of a cowboy boot.

gotta be honest here - I like the colour and look at the seats

[300bhp/ton]

timewatch said:

Having owned seven American cars filled with PLASTIC in the past ten years or so, three of them Cadillac, I think I/we have an entitlement to gripe at such things, Every other part of that car seem's to be of good standard having seen it in the flesh so-to-speak, but the seat runner covers and switches are straight out of the box standard CTS, now for just a few quid more a little aluminium would have made it just that little more special I'm sure most would agree!

I guess an alternative view is, based on US prices vs an M6 you are saying in the region of $40,000 (based on MSRP).

That's quite a chunk of money. And in the US there is no shortage of hot rod shops and customisers, so why not then spend say $5000 of your saved $40,000 on some interior upgrade parts, maybe bespoke to your own liking?

Even if you spend $10,000 and created an interior that far exceeded the BMW's you'd still be massively up on the deal in raw figures.

[LuS1fer]

I simply don't understand the criticism of the looks (which I'm NOT a fan of) when BMW are churning out the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my life but because they have a BMW badge on them , people seem immune to the retina-bashing.

I can practically GUARANTEE that if that new BMW 4 series had a Cadillac badge on it, it would have been hooted at for at least 3 weeks with utter derision. I'm not particularly anti-BMW (the company)even though the last visually decent car they made was the E46, I just find their designs repellant so their prices are irrelevant.

[irocfan]

LuS1fer said:

I simply don't understand the criticism of the looks (which I'm NOT a fan of) when BMW are churning out the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my life but because they have a BMW badge on them , people seem immune to the retina-bashing.

I can practically GUARANTEE that if that new BMW 4 series had a Cadillac badge on it, it would have been hooted at for at least 3 weeks with utter derision. I'm not particularly anti-BMW (the company)even though the last visually decent car they made was the E46, I just find their designs repellant so their prices are irrelevant.

[Adeyb]

I must admit that the BMW and Audi fans are very much of the same ilk as apple fanboys. They'd buy anything they churned out. I sat in the service dept of Audi collecting the wife's car the other day and actually despise the lack of German originality the same front end on every single car made. BMW and Mercedes are also guilty.

I'd love to stick the wife in that CTS-V or a Camaro, maybe next year.

I write this on my iPhone and drove the Audi to work today and have owned several Audis and BMW's. Nothing vehicular has ever made me feel the way my vette does, the integrale was close, break free of that mould and stick something cool on your driveway!!!!

[soad]

I like it, but don't have a spare £50k.
Also, can't help but think it'll depreciate loads (like any new-ish car) over the next 24 months.

[marc12]

Looks like a massive Prius. Can't argue with the stats though.

[anonymous-user]

soad said:

I like it, but don't have a spare £50k.
Also, can't help but think it'll depreciate loads (like any new-ish car) over the next 24 months.

If you want a close relative, you could get either of these?

[Pistonwot]

irocfan said:

LuS1fer said:

I simply don't understand the criticism of the looks (which I'm NOT a fan of) when BMW are churning out the ugliest cars I've ever seen in my life but because they have a BMW badge on them , people seem immune to the retina-bashing.

I can practically GUARANTEE that if that new BMW 4 series had a Cadillac badge on it, it would have been hooted at for at least 3 weeks with utter derision. I'm not particularly anti-BMW (the company)even though the last visually decent car they made was the E46, I just find their designs repellant so their prices are irrelevant.

This +1

[Pistonwot]

300bhp/ton said:

timewatch said:

Having owned seven American cars filled with PLASTIC in the past ten years or so, three of them Cadillac, I think I/we have an entitlement to gripe at such things, Every other part of that car seem's to be of good standard having seen it in the flesh so-to-speak, but the seat runner covers and switches are straight out of the box standard CTS, now for just a few quid more a little aluminium would have made it just that little more special I'm sure most would agree!

I guess an alternative view is, based on US prices vs an M6 you are saying in the region of $40,000 (based on MSRP).

That's quite a chunk of money. And in the US there is no shortage of hot rod shops and customisers, so why not then spend say $5000 of your saved $40,000 on some interior upgrade parts, maybe bespoke to your own liking?

Even if you spend $10,000 and created an interior that far exceeded the BMW's you'd still be massively up on the deal in raw figures.

My purchasing criteria are rather simplistic it would appear.

I buy cars depending upon how interactive they are whilst I am driving them and also for what they can teach me whilst driving them. Happen to love clever engineering too.

I dont care a jot about how they look, what derivitive of polymer they have used for a button (is your life really that dreary???)
what they have inside them or what others think about them.
I am out to 'impress' no-one.
The morons buying into marketing department (like BMW's) drivel and endebting their families for a fanciful and fictional image,
well,
those people are simply rediculous.