RE: Spotted: Alfa 147 GTA
Discussion
TTwiggy said:
They do like a drink. In mostly town driving my 147 GTA could AVERAGE as low as 10mpg on some journeys. By contrast, my B6 Audi S4 (V8, 340bhp) does around 18mpg in similar use.
10?? Really?? I find that extremely hard to believe! Having owned mine for over 2 years and 20k miles I generally average around low 20's around town, and high 20's on a motorway run, 30mpg is possible if you sit at 70 all the way. Generally £80 of super gets me around 300 miles.
Did a trip to Spa and the Nurburgring earlier this year, 1500 miles hardly hanging around, including 4 laps of the ring and half hour round spa track, and averaged 23mpg for the trip.
Not cheap to run by any means though. In 28 months I've spent about £6.5k on servicing and a few mods (exhaust, suspension). Cambelt service alone was £800. But in all fairness I've probably done bits of maintenance that weren't exactly 'essential right now', but I do like my cars to be spot on. Then there's 20k miles worth of petrol to go on top of that.
Only ever had to add about half a litre of oil every 10k miles or so.
ZesPak said:
DeltaEvo2 said:
My Mini Cooper (BMW) does 26mpg in town...is that good/bad?
Isn't that just a boggo I4?Seems pretty bad, unless you're hammering it!
As for the MPG, claims of 10MPG? Really? That seems ridiculously bad, actually nearly impossible!
It does say 26.4mpg...it's an auto sporty thing, at this point I might just move onto a GTA! Yum!
strangehighways said:
I have yet to find a better engine than the busso V6. I need to drive a Honda NSX or M3 maybe....
I've only driven a 2.5 V6 version, but if I'm honest I found the Busso pretty mediocre by today's standards. They sound good and like any NA engine have good throttle response, but are comprehensively beaten in power, torque and mpg by any modern remapped 2.0l turbo.swanny71 said:
Not sure about the relevance of that contribution but I'll respond anyway.
My current 130i is both lighter and more powerful than a 330ci. And yet the 130i isn't much quicker, if at all, than my 156 GTA was.
Precisely.My current 130i is both lighter and more powerful than a 330ci. And yet the 130i isn't much quicker, if at all, than my 156 GTA was.
He disappeared into the distance.
He even took a near enough 90 degree right hander much faster than I felt comfortable doing so.
Three thoughts on fuel consumption. First, fuel consumption is definitely better than the 147 GTA fuel computer suggests. I've checked both my cars over several thousand miles. By contrast, as people know, some other manufacturers' fuel computers give misleadingly encouraging mpg figures, some by quite a margin. Second, remapping (done correctly) seems to help mpg, especially consumption in heavy traffic and around-town, but also at brisk cruising speeds. Third, as ever, choose who maintains and fettles your Alfa carefully, and especially the GTA. Use a specialist garage that sees them often and really knows them. They are so rare that frankly most don't.
My 2.5 156 has averaged 27mpg over the last 20,000 miles.
It is driven enthusiastically and spends little time on motorways.
It rarely needs the oil topping up between services.
Of course there are more economical and more powerful modern engines but none has the same charisma.
The only criticism that I have of the V6 is that the cambelt and waterpump service is an expensive pastime, but at least it doesn't need doing every ten minutes like the Twinsparks.
It is driven enthusiastically and spends little time on motorways.
It rarely needs the oil topping up between services.
Of course there are more economical and more powerful modern engines but none has the same charisma.
The only criticism that I have of the V6 is that the cambelt and waterpump service is an expensive pastime, but at least it doesn't need doing every ten minutes like the Twinsparks.
mrpbailey said:
TTwiggy said:
They do like a drink. In mostly town driving my 147 GTA could AVERAGE as low as 10mpg on some journeys. By contrast, my B6 Audi S4 (V8, 340bhp) does around 18mpg in similar use.
10?? Really?? I find that extremely hard to believe! Having owned mine for over 2 years and 20k miles I generally average around low 20's around town, and high 20's on a motorway run, 30mpg is possible if you sit at 70 all the way. Generally £80 of super gets me around 300 miles.
SuperchargedVR6 said:
That's really good. My 2.0 TS averages 28mpg. The real time mpg shows 33 if I stick to 70mph and 30 @ 80mph, so the 3.2 doesn't seem to bad on fuel at all.
aaah I was thinking something was wrong. You're looking at the trip computer for MPG. Well, my 159 is the first car I've owned that actually shows worse on the computer than in truth.I always check at the pump tbh.
To be honest I take all internet mpg figures with a pinch of salt as they are always coloured by the persons viewpoint. A fan\owner of the car will tell you their 3 litre petrol car does 40mpg in town and 60mpg on a run (it's not really their fault, it's man maths at work) whereas someone who hates it will tell you his mate down the pub has one and it does 7mpg when driven sensibly so the best bet is to take an average of the two and you'll be somewhere close to the truth 
Guvernator said:
To be honest I take all internet mpg figures with a pinch of salt as they are always coloured by the persons viewpoint. A fan\owner of the car will tell you their 3 litre petrol car does 40mpg in town and 60mpg on a run (it's not really their fault, it's man maths at work) whereas someone who hates it will tell you his mate down the pub has one and it does 7mpg when driven sensibly so the best bet is to take an average of the two and you'll be somewhere close to the truth
Is it like the girl & man "rule of 3"? 
ZesPak said:
Guvernator said:
To be honest I take all internet mpg figures with a pinch of salt as they are always coloured by the persons viewpoint. A fan\owner of the car will tell you their 3 litre petrol car does 40mpg in town and 60mpg on a run (it's not really their fault, it's man maths at work) whereas someone who hates it will tell you his mate down the pub has one and it does 7mpg when driven sensibly so the best bet is to take an average of the two and you'll be somewhere close to the truth
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