RE: BMW M6 Gran Coupe - official

[365daytonafan]

Not sure I want one new but great contender for used car of the year 2018?

[AV12]

Looks like an excellent long-range bomber.

[BeirutTaxi]

Hey guys, I drove this on the XBOX and the weight was really noticeable!

Too heavy. I want it stripped out. The M5 has really moved away from it's lightweight past.

[will261058]

If I was in the market for a 4 door coupe it would be this one.

[anonymous-user]

Oh look, yet another microvariant BMW.

[Oddball RS]

Niche tastic.............................

[E38Ross]

GranCab said:

"The more potent engine option will be a new 3.8 litre V8 twin turbo delivering 523bhp and 479lb/ft of torque and good for 0-60mph in 4.7 seconds and 191mph. Under the skin, the new Quattroporte makes extensive use of aluminium (as it does in the body) contributing to a weight loss of around 100kg from the current car, despite the overall length of the Quattroporte growing by 6.4" (and the wheelbase by 4.2" all in the back seats)."


... and don't forget the "old" 4.2 Quattroporte was significantly faster than several more powerful German Saloons as tested by EVO around Bedford

Edited by GranCab on Thursday 13th December 13:12

So it's slower? Not going to blow it away then is is!

[mr2j]

Looks a bit prettier than the M5. Weird because I don't like the coupé at all.

[E38Ross]

RenesisEvo said:

theJT said:

I'm just not sure what the point of this constant micro-differentiation is. Want a large, fast 4 door saloon? M5. Want a large, fast 2 door coupe? M6. I just don't see why this needs to exist, or possibly why the M5 needs to exist if this does too... I don't see why you'd buy one instead of the other for anything other than price. Does the 6 look a bit better? Yes, a BIT. Is the 5 a bit more practical? Yes.. A BIT. Not enough for me to really chose between them either way.

Valid points. It seems BMW are happy to follow/compete directly with Audi who somehow justify similar levels of differentiation, with the A5 as a 2 and 4-door coupe alongside the A7 4-door coupe. And then we have Mercedes with the CL, CLS and SL. So roughly, from bottom to top:

Audi A1 --- BMW MINI -- Merc A class
Audi A3 --- BMW 1/2 series --- Merc B class
Audi A4 --- BMW 3 series --- Merc C class
Audi A5 --- BMW 4 series --- Merc CL?
Audi A6 --- BMW 5 series --- Merc E class
Audi A7 --- BMW 6 series incl. GC --- Merc SL/CLS
Audi A8 --- BMW 7 series --- Merc S class
Bentley --- Rolls-Royce --- Maybach (defunct)

Obviously this is my interpretation and some cars don't quite fit, e.g the normal 6 series coupe doesn't quite have a direct Audi rival unless you consider the S5 separate to the A5, and the RS5 competing against the M6. But what I do believe is most of these closely-related cars are coming about due to a) reduced cost of more models on very similar hardware b) direct competition - for each micro-niche another fellow manufacturer brings in, the other two German marques always jump in to compete.

The Mercedes CL doesn't have a BMW rival... It's effectively what the old 8 series was. A massive GT based on the flagship limo.

[pilchardthecat]

I like it.

The growly forced induction v8 actually belongs in a car like that

[Pistonwot]

BlueMR2 said:

BMW's models really seem to be taking a hard hit from the high numbers they sell.

I note they seem to have dropped the ultimate driving machine tag they used to use on advertising, all they need to do now is go FWD, then they can join up with AUDI to save even more on costs.

Summed up nicely.
Bored to death of these grossly over-valued, substandard, lardy offerings.

[drcarrera]

Sorry, I think it looks awful! Like a sort of Project Kahn VW Passat.

[NGK210]

Oy vey, two tonnes! How does BMW do it?! (In comparison, the CLS AMG weighs c. 1800kg.)

With all that heft and 550bhp to retard, BMW's brake pad and disc supplier(s) will be smiling.

How much longer can BMW eschew all-ally construction? JLR must be feeling rather smug.

[NGK210]

Oy vey, two tonnes! How does BMW do it?! (In comparison, the CLS AMG weighs c. 1800kg.)

With all that heft and 550bhp to retard, BMW's brake pad and disc supplier(s) will be smiling.

How much longer can BMW eschew all-ally construction? JLR must be feeling rather smug.

[kambites]

GranCab said:

kambites said:

GranCab said:

The new Quattroporte will blow this Grann'y Coupe away in terms of class, style and performance

I can't see it "blowing it away" in terms of performance.

"The more potent engine option will be a new 3.8 litre V8 twin turbo delivering 523bhp and 479lb/ft of torque and good for 0-60mph in 4.7 seconds and 191mph. Under the skin, the new Quattroporte makes extensive use of aluminium (as it does in the body) contributing to a weight loss of around 100kg from the current car, despite the overall length of the Quattroporte growing by 6.4" (and the wheelbase by 4.2" all in the back seats)."


... and don't forget the "old" 4.2 Quattroporte was significantly faster than several more powerful German Saloons as tested by EVO around Bedford

So the performance of the new QP will be significantly worse than the M6 saloon then? Even if BMW are being wildly optimistic and Maserati wildly pessimistic, the'll be about the same.

Edited by kambites on Thursday 13th December 14:12

[BeirutTaxi]

RE: The weight comments, every production car has gone up in weight since the 1990's I think.

The Lotus Exige S1 started at 780KG's, now the current shape S3 is around 1050KG (I think).

The kerb weight goes up with regulations and consumer demand. BMW can't be flamed for it.

[mr2j]

But German things should be heavy - like kastels und biersteins und buxom opera singers und Das Reichstagsgebäude. I always think that middle-england really does like to (subconsciously at least) cling onto the romanticised notion of German things being 'superior' and that weight indicates quality.

[Tib]

drcarrera said:

Sorry, I think it looks awful! Like a sort of Project Kahn VW Passat.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like it. Looks fking boring. Like every other new car on the damn road. yawn.

[kambites]

BeirutTaxi said:

...BMW can't be flamed for it.

Well they can, but only as part of the greater whole which is the modern motor industry. They shouldn't be singled out for it.

[BeirutTaxi]

Tib said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like it. Looks fking boring. Like every other new car on the damn road. yawn.

Says the bloke who owns a "Hyundai Coupe 1.6"

Stood next to a Gran Coupe at my local BMW dealer (Scothall, Eastleigh) a while back. Looks fantastic without being ostentatious.