RE: New Octavia vRS photos leaked

[Chicane-UK]

marcosgt said:

I like it.

I was a big fan of the mark 1, but never really liked the bloated mk2 much.

This looks like a return to form, much sharper lines than the Mr Blobby model.

M.

PS I thought the S3 just had a bigger turbo? The 210 BHP SEATs were an ECU upgrade.

Conversely I always disliked the MK1 but am a fan of the MK2 and the MK2 facelift I also like this new version!

[marcosgt]

Pleases everyone then

M

[Guvernator]

marcosgt said:

Pleases everyone then

M

Not really to be honest, I find it incredibly dull, looks like any other generic 3 box saloon. I get the point that manufacturers don't want to take too many risks but I really am getting bored of the tracing paper method of design that most of the German manufacturers seem intent on following these days.

[Stu R]

Looks like a merc rear grafted over a Kia. That said, it's not bad if a little bland.

[Otispunkmeyer]

Rather like that. The Old car with the face lift could look a bit bug eyed at times because the headlamps were massive. The front also didn't seem to gel that well with the rest of the car depending on the colour. The MK2 without the face-lift always looked the more cohesive car and I'm glad they've taken it back that way. This looks smart to me, then again I have become rather fond of minimalism in design.

[MC Bodge]

CHIEF said:

Of topic slightly does the old 1.8T actually use the S3 engine, I always thought the S3 had forged pistons and crank?

I always assumed the VRS was the VAG 1.8t engine with a bit more boost?

The Mk1 had the same engine as the TT 180bhp.

The TT225, later S3 and Cupra R had the 225bhp version with a bigger turbo and (I think) some upgraded internals.

As standard the 180bhp was a bit unresponsive, but re-mapping awakened the beast. My re-mapped Mk1 had acceleration on a par with the 225bhp TT & Cupra R(but with a nice, quick spool-up) when tested on private land.

[Broken]

loveice said:

Do Merc/Audi/BMW have counterparts for this car? I don't think so.

Octavia has always been a C Segment 4-door saloon (or 5-door estate). Merc/Audi/BMW have C-Segment hatches/ cabs/coupes, but no saloons.

The nearest thing to Octavia from Germany is VW's Jetta/Bora which is the same car with different skin.

The Octavia is and always has been a 5 door hatch back or 5 door estate car. The origional is based on the bora of the time which was a 4 door saloon. Merc/Audi/BMW have saloons not hatches in this sector.

[Broken]

CHIEF said:

Of topic slightly does the old 1.8T actually use the S3 engine, I always thought the S3 had forged pistons and crank?

I always assumed the VRS was the VAG 1.8t engine with a bit more boost?

The 1.8 20v turbo VAG engine comes in many variants of the same basic engine. Differences run to valve sizes, internals used and turbos used as well as ancillary placement etc. The S3 and cupra R use a 'BAM' (engine code) variant of the engine and the octavia as well as the cupra use the 'AUQ' variant of the engine. The BAM engine has marginally stronger internals, not sure about the turbo though.

[TonyRPH]

kambites said:

The Octavia has never been available with four doors; always five.

Broken said:

The Octavia is and always has been a 5 door hatch back or 5 door estate car. The origional is based on the bora of the time which was a 4 door saloon. Merc/Audi/BMW have saloons not hatches in this sector.

So the 4 door Octavia I looked at a couple of months back, with a boot - was a figment of my imagination then!!

[kambites]

TonyRPH said:

So the 4 door Octavia I looked at a couple of months back, with a boot - was a figment of my imagination then!!

Yup, must have been unless someone welded the rear window up and cut the boot in half with new hinges. There has never been a four-door Octavia.

[Steve vRS]

I like it

I hope it has nice Recaro seats like a Clio 200 Cup

Steve

[TonyRPH]

kambites said:

TonyRPH said:

So the 4 door Octavia I looked at a couple of months back, with a boot - was a figment of my imagination then!!

Yup, must have been unless someone welded the rear window up and cut the boot in half with new hinges. There has never been a four-door Octavia.

Yes, after some Googling, it would appear I was indeed mistaken - in my defence - I was looking at Audi / VW (passat) and Skodas at the same time.

Nothing to see here - move along

[marcosgt]

Guvernator said:

marcosgt said:

Pleases everyone then

M

Not really to be honest, I find it incredibly dull, looks like any other generic 3 box saloon. I get the point that manufacturers don't want to take too many risks but I really am getting bored of the tracing paper method of design that most of the German manufacturers seem intent on following these days.

OK, pleases everyone it ever has a chance to

Can you name an exciting looking 3 box saloon in the Octavia's price range (or any really?)

I think the new one looks quite refreshing personally.

If you want wacky I'm sure SEAT will be doing a people carrier looking hatch based on the new platform.

M

[Fire99]

To be fair, I quite like it. If its not mega expensive, it could work out quite nicely.

[Hellbound]

Looks understated and elegant. Like an Audi without the apparent cock factor some say they've cultivated in recent years.

[Bobley]

Hellbound said:

Looks understated and elegant. Like an Audi without the apparent cock factor some say they've cultivated in recent years.

Exactly. I quite like this, I just want a sensibly priced reasonably quick practicle car.... I'll probably end up with Tonkaesque Scout version though coz I'm getting old and I like ride quality nowadays...

[Olivera]

Broken said:

CHIEF said:

Of topic slightly does the old 1.8T actually use the S3 engine, I always thought the S3 had forged pistons and crank?

I always assumed the VRS was the VAG 1.8t engine with a bit more boost?

The 1.8 20v turbo VAG engine comes in many variants of the same basic engine. Differences run to valve sizes, internals used and turbos used as well as ancillary placement etc. The S3 and cupra R use a 'BAM' (engine code) variant of the engine and the octavia as well as the cupra use the 'AUQ' variant of the engine. The BAM engine has marginally stronger internals, not sure about the turbo though.

The BAM engines (S3, Cupra R) also come with twin intercoolers, rather than one on the vRS, forged internals, and a larger turbo (K04 vs K03 on the vRS). Stating "all VAG 1.8t engines are the same apart from boost pressure" is one of the most frequently used incorrect statements on PH.

[trashbat]

Not particularly about the vRS, but I'm surprised how cheap Octavias are compared to say the Kia Optima and VW Passat. Does discounting or equipment premiums bring those cars closer in reality?

[JaguarsportXJR]

I quite like this. Not as lairy as some of the competition but sometimes you want elegant as opposed to out-and-out aggression. Hope it does well.

[drgoatboy]

I miss my mk1 vrs estate. Was a cracking car but didn't quite work for my current needs so had to go.
This looks nice if a little uninspiring. It would certainly be on my list of future cars if I needed a bigger hatch\estate