RE: Time For Coffee? F-Type aural pleasure
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FWDRacer said:
You still sruggling? The facing competion to Jaguar. BMW. Mercedes. Audi. BMW's latest M/Cars are now piping engine 'musik' through the speakers. Glad that Jaguar aren't springing ahead into the future using that sort of technology 
Are you kidding me? I know Beemer has sound engineers to design the sound, but through the speakers . . . oi oi oi.There's nothing that can beat a racing car, especially an old skool racing car. And this J sounds just like that which is great.
After_Shock said:
MyCC said:
Believe me the XJ is not a sales flop, where did you get this info? The XF is doing very nicely too.
Regards,
My CC.
U.k wise the XJ and XF arent doing great tho are they? Worldwide may well be different however.Regards,
My CC.
I'm going to get shot down here but I think that v6 sounds a bit tinny and cheap, almost as if the exhaust tubes are made of wafer thin steel and the tailpipes are spitting little pebbles out of them.
I recall the 6 in the M3 sounded a bit like this.
A v6 to me has to have a bit of meatiness and solidity to the sound along with some very high revs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh8w1zPte0w
I recall the 6 in the M3 sounded a bit like this.
A v6 to me has to have a bit of meatiness and solidity to the sound along with some very high revs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh8w1zPte0w
It is so good to see Jaguar as it were going from strength to strength and shamelessly promoting their cars well and with pride.
The current fad for engineering in sweet engine noises is annoying to an extent. Rather then letting it happen it has now become a key marketing ploy to bring "character and soul" to cars. As the ever increasing use of three digit named electronics are used to subdue any character whilst driving. And because of that it is so much sadder that maverik companies that produce drivers cars are struggling or going bust, because drivers are anyway subdued by buying cars that are more and more driven by the car and not the driver.
Jaguar have done a fantastic job of bringing back the marque from the backroads of motoring and taking on zee Germans. Brilliant, bold, well built and great looking.
The current fad for engineering in sweet engine noises is annoying to an extent. Rather then letting it happen it has now become a key marketing ploy to bring "character and soul" to cars. As the ever increasing use of three digit named electronics are used to subdue any character whilst driving. And because of that it is so much sadder that maverik companies that produce drivers cars are struggling or going bust, because drivers are anyway subdued by buying cars that are more and more driven by the car and not the driver.
Jaguar have done a fantastic job of bringing back the marque from the backroads of motoring and taking on zee Germans. Brilliant, bold, well built and great looking.
FWDRacer said:
You still sruggling? The facing competion to Jaguar. BMW. Mercedes. Audi. BMW's latest M/Cars are now piping engine 'musik' through the speakers. Glad that Jaguar aren't springing ahead into the future using that sort of technology
Yeah I was, thanks for that 
It was the "facing" bit that threw me. So they all do that? I thought it was just BMW.
So even the car world is going to hell now. A new trendy Plastic Experience for the masses, Antares Autotune for Automobiles, wake up baby your new prefabricated popstar on wheels is here.
garypotter said:
Stratman1 said:
2. Fab cars - both of them. Now go and drive an AM V8 Vantage (a year old or whatever works to match the economics) and its a tough call which one you'd have in garage.
1. This forum is for petrolheads who love and buy a wide range of cars, with a wide range of budgets, and who can opine from actual experience on a range of cars. We all joke about the PH forum criticisms of new car styling, but this is about folks who will look at this Jag as a potential next buy. Which means we should be allowed to talk about what else we might buy for the same money.
2. Why would you worry about hiding the age of the Aston? I was talking about driving a V8 versus a V6, not about being vain and having a brand new car versus a used car with a private plate.
I've had a few V6s and enjoyed them thoroughly. V8s (naturally aspirated by the way) are better in terms of power, torque, noise, performance. But that's just IMHO.
3. BTW in my case these kind of cars are my only car, not 2nd/3rd, so we get into boot space etc as well as look and performance.
After_Shock said:
I would love the chance to drive both, however in my head the V6 makes more sense.
O.k getting over the fact to me it 'looks' better is a minor part the drive as you say is the main reason for one of these cars.
The V6 weighs less, does sound better in these vids, will no doubt rev more freely and id assume be the more balanced on the roads, if you ordered the V8 and the V6 with the same wheels and tyres the V6 is going to have loads more grip due to less torque and again id assume be the much more driveable on the roads, will be able to push the V6 more towards its limits without the fear of death. If they both use the same supercharger? the V6 would be more laggy at the initial revs too which again helps the grip and stability low down.
Taking price out of the equation the main competitor would have been the boxster S and considering how balanced they are to drive the Jag has a big challenge, but its gone with power (due to weight no doubt) as its main firepower and ive no complaints on that front, just hope they have done a great job on the chassis. If it sacrifices balance for laughable fun all the better for it
Well said and good stuff, After_Shock. O.k getting over the fact to me it 'looks' better is a minor part the drive as you say is the main reason for one of these cars.
The V6 weighs less, does sound better in these vids, will no doubt rev more freely and id assume be the more balanced on the roads, if you ordered the V8 and the V6 with the same wheels and tyres the V6 is going to have loads more grip due to less torque and again id assume be the much more driveable on the roads, will be able to push the V6 more towards its limits without the fear of death. If they both use the same supercharger? the V6 would be more laggy at the initial revs too which again helps the grip and stability low down.
Taking price out of the equation the main competitor would have been the boxster S and considering how balanced they are to drive the Jag has a big challenge, but its gone with power (due to weight no doubt) as its main firepower and ive no complaints on that front, just hope they have done a great job on the chassis. If it sacrifices balance for laughable fun all the better for it
Go and drive any decent V6. Then drive a decent V8 (both naturally aspirated). If the latter is designed as a decent fast GT or even a sports car, then understeer won't be a problem.
I was lucky enough to own an AM Vantage. Reading some of the posts here, a V8 is too heavy up front versus a V6. So, what about the V12 Vantage? It's a dream to drive and I would have one in my dream PH garage.
For what it's worth, when I had a VW Corrado VR6 in my twenties, some folks said the lighter-engined Corrados were better. They weren't.
Honestly, V8s these days are light and are set back behind the front axle. So can we please agree that it's a financial consideration, not a driving pleasure one?
Young sir Pr1964, if you think a respected car company can still produce designs - today and with a nod to an awesome legacy - that look like the wonderfull stuff of the past, you may think again.
Only small volume and bespoke designs manage just that.
I think the F is a wonderfull car that will gain its place in automotive history. I'd like a lightweight and stripped down 6 thank you.
Looking and comparing the last 15 years of Jaguar and Aston sporting cars I think they do a wonderfull job.
Happy days chaps.
Only small volume and bespoke designs manage just that.
I think the F is a wonderfull car that will gain its place in automotive history. I'd like a lightweight and stripped down 6 thank you.
Looking and comparing the last 15 years of Jaguar and Aston sporting cars I think they do a wonderfull job.
Happy days chaps.
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