RE: Driven: Porsche Boxster S
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k ugly cars. I'm really sorry but a 1 series is just not a competitor to a 981 Boxster.
Just because 1 person is considering the two of them does it make it so either.
By that rationale 1 person considering buying a 981 boxster or staying on public transport for a year makes a virgin Pendolino locomotive a Boxster competitor.
Just because 1 person is considering the two of them does it make it so either.
By that rationale 1 person considering buying a 981 boxster or staying on public transport for a year makes a virgin Pendolino locomotive a Boxster competitor.
nickfrog said:
I am considering both for my next car. I can't care less about marketing/segment/image etc etc.
So you're saying you're not sure whether you want a shopping car with a big engine or the world's best £50k sportscar?Well, no wonder I'm having trouble choosing between a new Range Rover or a used F430...
Paxto said:
I'm really sorry but a 1 series is just not a competitor to a 981 Boxster.
Just because 1 person is considering the two of them does it make it so either.
Yes it does for that person. I know pretty well what both cars can and can't do. I have run 2 Boxsters for many years / miles on the road and on a dozen of track days between them and at 10/10th for quite a few laps.Just because 1 person is considering the two of them does it make it so either.
I have had the M135i for 24 hours (not on track though, lol, and certainly not at 10/10th unfort.) which might not be enough, granted, but 400 miles or so have painted a pretty good picture.
Just to clarify again, I do not care about appearance/image, so the Boxster holds zero advantage for me, despite being much better looking than the M135i. I assume they'll both lose 50% of their invoice price in 3 years. For me they are direct competitors, because they both cater for my particular needs.
Will the M135i be a track tool ? Of course not, it'd cook its brakes in about 5 laps. Part of the saving would go nicely towards sharing a £12k Caterham with my mate though...
I saw one of these drive past me the other day and it looked nice but certainly not stunning- that spoiler across the back end looks naff.
I'm sure it would be a nice weekend car when it drops to about £20k in 4 yrs time but not worth north of 50k- just ridiculous pricing. There are so many other cars out there nowadays that are a bit different for that money- maybe not brand new but still under warranty so there is no way I would want something this ordinary for so much money,
I'm sure it would be a nice weekend car when it drops to about £20k in 4 yrs time but not worth north of 50k- just ridiculous pricing. There are so many other cars out there nowadays that are a bit different for that money- maybe not brand new but still under warranty so there is no way I would want something this ordinary for so much money,
anonymous said:
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I don't see how that makes it not a "shopping car". To me, a shopping car is a car whose platform is primarily engineered with practicality in mind - I think you'd struggle to argue that's not true of any hatchback. I've certainly never seen "shopping car" as a derogatory term; just a statement of intent. It certainly has nothing whatsoever to do with engineering quality.
kambites said:
Because clearly a significant number of people (not including me, I hasten to add) do see them as competitors.
I've seen one person on this thread who obviously has their own personal reasons for comparing them, I think most others have agreed they are worlds apart tbh.Since CH's article praising the M135i as the performance bargain of the century, it's now inevitable that they will be compared with EVERY new car released ad infinitum. It will be offered up as an alternative to Ferrari's etc next as a remapped one will be "just as quick in the real world", mark my words.
Guvernator said:
Again, I'm not sure why we are discussing an ugly BMW on a thread about the new Porsche Boxster?? 
Again, I have no problems if you don't like the way the BMW looks. Nor if appearances/image are important to you.It's a very valid and pragmatic comparison in terms of price, which is how it started remember. My point is that it make the Boxster S look quite expensive IMO, when you look at the similar % depreciation. If the Boxster was so special/rare/unique (compared to the BMW) then I guess its depreciation performance would be far better. Or has it been affected by poor reliability (D-chunks, IMS, etc) ?
Having an engine between the two axles and a low COG doesn't inherently make a car more expensive to make but I'd agree that it helps it being perceived as better and more "upmarket", particularly for people who may not use half of the added lateral grip or traction but need the reassurance of the badge or the "heritage".
The irony being that I've been a massive Boxster fan and owner for the past 10 years or so, which doesn't mean that I can't appreciate nor compare cars produced by other manufacturers, even if they are less "prestigious".
Each to their own.
Probably. nickfrog said:
My point is that it make the Boxster S look quite expensive IMO, when you look at the similar % depreciation.
Now you are just being thick. How about we slip an F458 into your ridiculous comparison - after all it's just another mid-engined 2-seater yet costs three times as much as the Porsche...If you're happy in a BMW that's fine. But you're wasting your time sniping at better cars which, surprisingly, cost more money.
Ozzie Osmond said:
nickfrog said:
My point is that it make the Boxster S look quite expensive IMO, when you look at the similar % depreciation.
Now you are just being thick. How about we slip an F458 into your ridiculous comparison - after all it's just another mid-engined 2-seater yet costs three times as much as the Porsche...If you're happy in a BMW that's fine. But you're wasting your time sniping at better cars which, surprisingly, cost more money.
Or is it the only way you treat people who may not agree with your views ?
PS: having just checked your garage, I now understand why you're so touchy. How very sad.
Edited by nickfrog on Monday 14th January 13:16
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