RE: Spotted: Renault Laguna Sport GT

[Negative Creep]

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

[HTP99]

Negative Creep said:

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

Really, why do you say that?

[Negative Creep]

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

Really, why do you say that?

From what I've been told by various people in the business. The mk.3 could well be different but the mk.2 was a bit of a disaster on all fronts . Looked very nice for a repmobile though.

[Krikkit]

Love these, although a petrol one would be needed for me. Looks great, and I've never read a bad review of its dynamic abilities.

[jon66]

Makes such a pleasant change to see something nice written about the Laguna.

I have had the "Sport Tourer" (Estate) version of the 180 dCI GT as my daily driver for almost 2 years now, and it hasn't missed a beat. When I bought it, I looked at the comparable models from Mercedes and BMW (given that I was buying within the confines of a company car scheme) and for the money, they couldn't come close to matching the specs on the Laguna GT.

Have to agree with pretty much everything in the article....these cars are superb tourers....much improved from the GT version of the Laguna II (which I had previously as my daily driver...and now resides in the South of France as a holiday driver).

I know that Renault probably doesn't really score well on the PH coolometer...but believe me, these GT's are well worth a look. As for rarity, last time I looked on the How Many Left site it came up with something like 35 of the sport tourer version. Im sure that this was down to the image of the larger Renault models, initial list price (although still very good value when compared to other manufacturers models) and extremely poor marketing/availability.

[Guvernator]

BRAVO! no not for the Renault Laguna (not in a million years) but on the fact that a journalist finally seems to have come out and plainly stated all that is wrong with the current "sporty" Germans.

Does no one test any of their cars in the UK? Surely BMW\Merc\Audi UK must have some input? I truly find it shocking that cars are released here with suspension that is completely unsuited to our roads and the person who thought run flats were a good idea should be shot.

I find it even more shocking that mainstream journo's seem to completely ignore this very obvious flaw, well done Mr Trent for having the b*lls to tell it how it is. Now if we could just get a few more journo's to start championing the cause, we might actually get German cars that are usable in this country again.

[HTP99]

Negative Creep said:

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

Really, why do you say that?

From what I've been told by various people in the business. The mk.3 could well be different but the mk.2 was a bit of a disaster on all fronts . Looked very nice for a repmobile though.

You are correct Laguna II was a bit of a disaster, primarily pre 05 face lifts however Laguna III is a very reliable car, this is the problems with people's perception of Renault, they are too hung up on an era that is long gone.

[MC Bodge]

Guvernator said:

BRAVO! no not for the Renault Laguna (not in a million years) but on the fact that a journalist finally seems to have come out and plainly stated all that is wrong with the current "sporty" Germans.

Does no one test any of their cars in the UK? Surely BMW\Merc\Audi UK must have some input? I truly find it shocking that cars are released here with suspension that is completely unsuited to our roads and the person who thought run flats were a good idea should be shot.

I find it even more shocking that mainstream journo's seem to completely ignore this very obvious flaw, well done Mr Trent for having the b*lls to tell it how it is. Now if we could just get a few more journo's to start championing the cause, we might actually get German cars that are usable in this country again.

I agree, and the tide may turn away from the 'Ringmeister/DTM Look at some point, but....

many British people do actually *choose* the "Sport"/S-Line versions. The British liking to portray a flash/fast/sporty image to other Joe Public.

Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 3rd January 14:19

[Oddball RS]

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

Really, why do you say that?

From what I've been told by various people in the business. The mk.3 could well be different but the mk.2 was a bit of a disaster on all fronts . Looked very nice for a repmobile though.

You are correct Laguna II was a bit of a disaster, primarily pre 05 face lifts however Laguna III is a very reliable car, this is the problems with people's perception of Renault, they are too hung up on an era that is long gone.

Well thats one way of looking at it, or maybe a lesson learned? People rarely buy anything twice if they had bad experiences with the first.

[DaveL485]

I'd happily have one if it were within my budget range!

[forzaminardi]

Never driven one, but I've always quite liked Lagunas, perhaps because of their BTCC glory days. Back when there was a real 'mid-market' for family cars, choosing a French car showed a degree of enthusiasm for driving in my then-Schoolboy's opinion. Always quite good looking too, through their various iterations.

I recall the coupe version of the Laguna III had good write ups due to its 4wheel steering - I wasn't aware it was available on the 5 doors. Similarly the old Honda Preludes well well rated by road testers, but the 4WS idea seems never to have caught on with the mainstream.

[daemon]

HTP99 said:

daemon said:

HTP99 said:

daemon said:

HTP99 said:

Beefmeister said:

These don't wear well though...

On the contrary, they wear very well indeed.

Really? That would be contrary to any experience i've had with the brand - assuming in 'wear' you include window regulator failure, dodgy electrics, turbo failure, injector failure, etc, etc...

On Laguna II's perhaps but not Laguna III's

So far. They havent been around long enough - yet.

There you go, you are generalising, it's a Renault so therefore must be unreliable, actually apart from a blip in early 2000 Renaults have always been as reliable as the next car.

Renaults since Laguna III are more reliable than ever as they are built using similar principles and techniques to Laguna III and Laguna III was built using massive input from the working practicies of Nissan, Laguna III has been round since 2007 and don't give any issues.

No, not generalising. I've had quite a bit of dealings with renaults in the motor trade, and i think i am speaking for motor traders when i say i / we would be extremely wary of these cars. I've an 07 Scenic at the moment and two of the electric windows dont work, the CD player wont work and one one of the remotes work. I've also had various Renaults 2000-2006 with turbo problems, injector problems, etc, etc.

So forgive me if i dont suddenly 'feel the love'.

[daemon]

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

HTP99 said:

Negative Creep said:

Oddball RS said:

Well it could be worse, it could the Petrol Turbo one, only car i have known refused point blank to be taken in PX.

I thought it was the diesels that the trade didn't take?

Really, why do you say that?

From what I've been told by various people in the business. The mk.3 could well be different but the mk.2 was a bit of a disaster on all fronts . Looked very nice for a repmobile though.

You are correct Laguna II was a bit of a disaster, primarily pre 05 face lifts however Laguna III is a very reliable car, this is the problems with people's perception of Renault, they are too hung up on an era that is long gone.

I've an 07 scenic at the moment and its got the electrical gremlins associated with the cars from 2000 onwards. Thats a long time not to correct them.

Whilst the Laguna III might be built with different build practices, i will be treating them with extreme caution.

[mat205125]

The Laguna



Aston Rapide



The Laguna Coupe



Aston DB9

[dukebox9reg]

daemon said:

Well the problem is, you can buy better for less.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

Or

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

I used to have a MK1 laguna RXE (With talking computer!!) and it was the most reliable, robust car I ever owned. I still miss it now. Fully agree that the Laguna II was a bag of turd but I think the Laguna III's especially as a tourer and in GT spec do look really nice.

Surely you need to compare the GT model against the Mundano ST and for the same money it would be the older shape which isn't especially known for being reliable either. The Laguna offers a lot more bang for buck.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

[Krikkit]

But how many BMW's/Audis are there out there with the same issues that are simply dismissed as being "a bad one" as opposed to a Renault which is typical of the brand?

[mat205125]

Krikkit said:

But how many BMW's/Audis are there out there with the same issues that are simply dismissed as being "a bad one" as opposed to a Renault which is typical of the brand?

[daemon]

dukebox9reg said:

daemon said:

Well the problem is, you can buy better for less.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

Or

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

I used to have a MK1 laguna RXE (With talking computer!!) and it was the most reliable, robust car I ever owned. I still miss it now. Fully agree that the Laguna II was a bag of turd but I think the Laguna III's especially as a tourer and in GT spec do look really nice.

Surely you need to compare the GT model against the Mundano ST and for the same money it would be the older shape which isn't especially known for being reliable either. The Laguna offers a lot more bang for buck.

http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...

Not sure. Probably, possibly, maybe.

My gut thinking is that people dont necessarily think 'sporting' when they think of a laguna so rightly or wrongly your average ST buyer probably wont look.

You're then down to the extra oomph, bells and whistles over a Mondeo and Passat that this will give you, and i'm not sure thats enough of a differentiator to make it worth the same price as a Mondeo TDCI Zetec.

Typically Lagunas have to be cheap to sell, and £8K for a five year old one, doesnt sound cheap.

[Geeba]

Gutted - I thought it was Friday and SOTW!.... gesss that thing is ugly... that money... B7 Audi A4 S-Line

[daemon]

Krikkit said:

But how many BMW's/Audis are there out there with the same issues that are simply dismissed as being "a bad one" as opposed to a Renault which is typical of the brand?

True. I dont think i'd touch an Audi TDI either, and lets be honest, a turbo is basically treated as a consumable now on an e46 320d.