RE: Dacia Duster
Discussion
Turbocharger said:
How do we reckon these will depreciate?
Pros: Starting at £11k and with nothing to go wrong, could hold up very well and be at £8k in five years.
Cons: No badge kudos and cheap build quality could mean they fall to Shed territory in five years.
I'd guess they'll be fairly average - probably worth about 3-4k in five years' time? Pros: Starting at £11k and with nothing to go wrong, could hold up very well and be at £8k in five years.
Cons: No badge kudos and cheap build quality could mean they fall to Shed territory in five years.
kambites said:
It's always a continuum, though. I can quite believe that this is "good off road" by my definition of the term - as in quite capable of getting me down an un-paved farm track or across a ploughed field. I know a few people who run 4x4s because they need an off-roader, and to be honest most of them could do what they need in anything with diff locks and a respectable amount of ground clearance. Things like approach and departure angles and axle articulation are largely irrelevant when you're towing a trailer across a muddy field of cows.
Very true, but then I guess it all depends what you want to do with. Off road towing on grass might not be on road, but it's not exactly off roading. Most farm tracks can successfully be tackled by most hatchbacks, so again taking a 4x4 down such a road isn't really indicative of it being "very good off road".Edited by kambites on Wednesday 9th January 11:52
As for diff lockers, well most almost all Land Rover's don't have them (unless you mean the CDL).
But driving across a ploughed field might well mean driving across a ditch too or some other proper off road obstacle. Many hill farmers will also use far more of a vehicles off road ability too. If the Dacia can do this, then great
but I'm yet to actually see any detail or proof of it, only these un-substantiated claims that it's good off road.Why do I get a frisson of excitement when I see a picture of these in white with the black bumpers and steels, I lose interest a bit when they get met paint and alloys, seems like the complete antidote to current trends in bog basic form, seeing as every not very special Audi looks like a touring car with Christmas lights on. black bumpers and steels became the features of shame but you dotn really see them now so perhaps it is just nostalgia.
The lack of chinz is refreshing but its down to whether the lack of some features is annoying, personally I think aircon is a godsend, not so much for the 4 hot days a year but for clearign the car of condensation but we managed back in the sixties, seventies, eighties and most of the nineties without it but Dacia should recognise that people may want what has become the "UN" look and still have a nice cool interior and mist free windows, perhaps their model hierachy is actually upside down ? with alloys and met paint it just looks like some other nondescript budget soft roader, in white without DRLs, black wheels, alloys or any of the other crap it looks awesome.
The lack of chinz is refreshing but its down to whether the lack of some features is annoying, personally I think aircon is a godsend, not so much for the 4 hot days a year but for clearign the car of condensation but we managed back in the sixties, seventies, eighties and most of the nineties without it but Dacia should recognise that people may want what has become the "UN" look and still have a nice cool interior and mist free windows, perhaps their model hierachy is actually upside down ? with alloys and met paint it just looks like some other nondescript budget soft roader, in white without DRLs, black wheels, alloys or any of the other crap it looks awesome.
pSyCoSiS said:
You can pick them up way cheaper than that. For that sort of money you can get a fully loaded and mint E320 CDI Estate, which will do 40+ mpg and carry a huge load. O the big E430 V8 models.
I've had a few, but for me, they just do have the handsome good looks of the W124. If anything, the pre-facelift W210 models in poverty spec (steel rims, etc)actually look prety ugly.
For sure you can get them cheaper. I've lived a life of cheap, cheap cars and as a result I'll always pay £500 more for a years MOT - 6 months tax and some barely used expensive tyres. Also, I knew the owner profile of this car. 1 very wealthy owner taking her kids to school ten miles each way for donkeys years, always reached operating temperature plus she spent a fortune maintaining it. And it's got no rust. The W124 is better car no doubt. They just cost too much these days. Not a big fan of the common rail Merc engines but if I could have found a 430 near here I would have one like a shot. Top shed. I've had a few, but for me, they just do have the handsome good looks of the W124. If anything, the pre-facelift W210 models in poverty spec (steel rims, etc)actually look prety ugly.
300bhp/ton said:
...but I'm yet to actually see any detail or proof of it, only these un-substantiated claims that it's good off road.
Here you go. It's got mud up the side and everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XZOAs127Gg&fea...
kambites said:
Turbocharger said:
How do we reckon these will depreciate?
Pros: Starting at £11k and with nothing to go wrong, could hold up very well and be at £8k in five years.
Cons: No badge kudos and cheap build quality could mean they fall to Shed territory in five years.
I'd guess they'll be fairly average - probably worth about 3-4k in five years' time? Pros: Starting at £11k and with nothing to go wrong, could hold up very well and be at £8k in five years.
Cons: No badge kudos and cheap build quality could mean they fall to Shed territory in five years.
If you look on E-bay France there are quite a few 2011 4x4 DCI prestige models with 30k or less at €10k (£8k) they are €19k new, so its almost halved in value in a year and 30k miles......
There is actually one for €6,900 but i cant speak French so it might have something wrong with it.
As an aside a new bottom spec one is €11,900 which at today's exchange rate makes it more than £8,999 and that is with windy down windows and no central locking, so the UK price looks like a bit of a bargain
Chris Harris said:
Pedantry.
It's an £11k bargain. It's a unitary body with a 'normal' road car suspension design and selectable 4WD. Of course it isn't going to match something with a separate chassis and locking diffs. On winter tyres I could do everything in it that I could do in my Defender on the rubbish standard road rubber. No one is going to buy this thing to go green-laning, but this not being a specialist 4x4 community the Duster's off-road ability, in terms of what the majority of rural types would require of a mild off-roader, deserves to be applauded.
Thank yo for your reply its appreciated.It's an £11k bargain. It's a unitary body with a 'normal' road car suspension design and selectable 4WD. Of course it isn't going to match something with a separate chassis and locking diffs. On winter tyres I could do everything in it that I could do in my Defender on the rubbish standard road rubber. No one is going to buy this thing to go green-laning, but this not being a specialist 4x4 community the Duster's off-road ability, in terms of what the majority of rural types would require of a mild off-roader, deserves to be applauded.
Sorry if it appeared like pedantry, but as said, would you claim an non sporting car to be a good sports car? If not then why claim a non off roader is very good off road?
As for the suspension and 4wd, I wasn't sure what it used which was sort of why I was asking. In other articles/reports people have also claimed the Duster to be a good off roader, so I was trying to find out further info. I come from a farming background, so proper off road ability is important in 4x4's we buy/use.
For example, to get in and out of this field I'm not saying a soft roader couldn't do it, but if wet you'd need some sensible AT's or MT's on it. But it'd be about the durability of crossing a ditch and some deep axle twisting ruts time and time again.
300bhp/ton said:
hank yo for your reply its appreciated.
Sorry if it appeared like pedantry, but as said, would you claim an non sporting car to be a good sports car? If not then why claim a non off roader is very good off road?
As for the suspension and 4wd, I wasn't sure what it used which was sort of why I was asking. In other articles/reports people have also claimed the Duster to be a good off roader, so I was trying to find out further info. I come from a farming background, so proper off road ability is important in 4x4's we buy/use.
For example, to get in and out of this field I'm not saying a soft roader couldn't do it, but if wet you'd need some sensible AT's or MT's on it. But it'd be about the durability of crossing a ditch and some deep axle twisting ruts time and time again.
I am just dumbfounded that you didnt suggest a Camaro, Mustang or even a Plymouth Duster as a suitable alternative Sorry if it appeared like pedantry, but as said, would you claim an non sporting car to be a good sports car? If not then why claim a non off roader is very good off road?
As for the suspension and 4wd, I wasn't sure what it used which was sort of why I was asking. In other articles/reports people have also claimed the Duster to be a good off roader, so I was trying to find out further info. I come from a farming background, so proper off road ability is important in 4x4's we buy/use.
For example, to get in and out of this field I'm not saying a soft roader couldn't do it, but if wet you'd need some sensible AT's or MT's on it. But it'd be about the durability of crossing a ditch and some deep axle twisting ruts time and time again.
Land rovers are very impressive off road but I reckon one of these with, like you say, appropriate tyres would do most of what people ever need to do, like towing a trailer out of a field, ropey farm tracks and the odd bit of snow, a Defender cant really be bettered off road but they are bloody awful the rest of the time and for nine grand it would be 15 years old.
How about a head to head between this and a Panda 4x4? Capable and basic cars in this sector are fantastic.
As far as farmer's cars go, I see a lot of Discovery 2s doing farm duty in the woolly wilds of Worcestershire. I assume that most of them were retired from school run duties and sold off when a shinier bauble was required.
As far as farmer's cars go, I see a lot of Discovery 2s doing farm duty in the woolly wilds of Worcestershire. I assume that most of them were retired from school run duties and sold off when a shinier bauble was required.
Chris Harris said:
Pedantry.
It's an £11k bargain. It's a unitary body with a 'normal' road car suspension design and selectable 4WD. Of course it isn't going to match something with a separate chassis and locking diffs. On winter tyres I could do everything in it that I could do in my Defender on the rubbish standard road rubber. No one is going to buy this thing to go green-laning, but this not being a specialist 4x4 community the Duster's off-road ability, in terms of what the majority of rural types would require of a mild off-roader, deserves to be applauded.
I spent last winter in a nissan qashqai which, I believe, has a similar or identical 4x4 drivetrain... While being overloaded with gizmos and a really nice 1.6 diesel, I found it surprisingly fun in snow... It would do controlable oversteer, had surprising ammounts of grip (winter tires mind you), and could easily pull my friends sierra weldeddiffrallyrustbucket out of any ditch it would fint it's way into.. It's an £11k bargain. It's a unitary body with a 'normal' road car suspension design and selectable 4WD. Of course it isn't going to match something with a separate chassis and locking diffs. On winter tyres I could do everything in it that I could do in my Defender on the rubbish standard road rubber. No one is going to buy this thing to go green-laning, but this not being a specialist 4x4 community the Duster's off-road ability, in terms of what the majority of rural types would require of a mild off-roader, deserves to be applauded.
On a related note... Local hunters Love 4x4 Dusters... they find it a suitable alternative to Lada Niva..
J4CKO said:
300bhp/ton said:
hank yo for your reply its appreciated.
Sorry if it appeared like pedantry, but as said, would you claim an non sporting car to be a good sports car? If not then why claim a non off roader is very good off road?
As for the suspension and 4wd, I wasn't sure what it used which was sort of why I was asking. In other articles/reports people have also claimed the Duster to be a good off roader, so I was trying to find out further info. I come from a farming background, so proper off road ability is important in 4x4's we buy/use.
For example, to get in and out of this field I'm not saying a soft roader couldn't do it, but if wet you'd need some sensible AT's or MT's on it. But it'd be about the durability of crossing a ditch and some deep axle twisting ruts time and time again.
I am just dumbfounded that you didnt suggest a Camaro, Mustang or even a Plymouth Duster as a suitable alternative Sorry if it appeared like pedantry, but as said, would you claim an non sporting car to be a good sports car? If not then why claim a non off roader is very good off road?
As for the suspension and 4wd, I wasn't sure what it used which was sort of why I was asking. In other articles/reports people have also claimed the Duster to be a good off roader, so I was trying to find out further info. I come from a farming background, so proper off road ability is important in 4x4's we buy/use.
For example, to get in and out of this field I'm not saying a soft roader couldn't do it, but if wet you'd need some sensible AT's or MT's on it. But it'd be about the durability of crossing a ditch and some deep axle twisting ruts time and time again.
W124 said:
For sure you can get them cheaper. I've lived a life of cheap, cheap cars and as a result I'll always pay £500 more for a years MOT - 6 months tax and some barely used expensive tyres. Also, I knew the owner profile of this car. 1 very wealthy owner taking her kids to school ten miles each way for donkeys years, always reached operating temperature plus she spent a fortune maintaining it. And it's got no rust. The W124 is better car no doubt. They just cost too much these days. Not a big fan of the common rail Merc engines but if I could have found a 430 near here I would have one like a shot. Top shed.
Indeed. If that's the case, then that's a bloody good purchase! And a W210 with no rust is as rare as rocking horse pooh. Enjoy it!I think some people may be missing the point of this car. It's cheap, practical and won't get stuck in tricky driving conditions that a normal 2wd would succomb to. There really is not much more to this car than that...?
The one accessory that this needs is countryside brown road spray all over it.
Love the concept and I hope it will allow PH'rs to justify a more silly car for the weekends and this as a cheap daily solution.
P.S - wind up/down windows are awesome.
The one accessory that this needs is countryside brown road spray all over it.
Love the concept and I hope it will allow PH'rs to justify a more silly car for the weekends and this as a cheap daily solution.
P.S - wind up/down windows are awesome.
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