Kia MPG reimbursement program in USA
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Seems Kia have realised/been told their MPG figures in the US were "optimistic" - https://kiampginfo.com/
I can see the same thing happening in the EU eventually, who actually gets the consumption claimed by the manufacturer in any modern car?!
I can see the same thing happening in the EU eventually, who actually gets the consumption claimed by the manufacturer in any modern car?!
Toaster Pilot said:
Seems Kia have realised/been told their MPG figures in the US were "optimistic" - https://kiampginfo.com/
I can see the same thing happening in the EU eventually, who actually gets the consumption claimed by the manufacturer in any modern car?!
It's not the manufacturers' fault, it's the EU who control the tests which are done on a rolling roadI can see the same thing happening in the EU eventually, who actually gets the consumption claimed by the manufacturer in any modern car?!
Toaster Pilot said:
So are the EU tests more tightly regulated than the US ones ? 
I may be dreaming this, but I'm sure that for the EU test, the manufacturer provides cars to an independent testing company who run and log the results of the test.In USA, the manufacturer runs the test themselves, based on the guidelines given by the regulating body.
I've had a drink though, so could be talking the grapes talking..
Matt UK said:
Toaster Pilot said:
So are the EU tests more tightly regulated than the US ones ?
I may be dreaming this, but I'm sure that for the EU test, the manufacturer provides cars to an independent testing company who run and log the results of the test.In USA, the manufacturer runs the test themselves, based on the guidelines given by the regulating body.
I've had a drink though, so could be talking the grapes talking..
GM randomly test themselves using Millbrook's emissions lab (ie, cars pulled from distribution)
fiddling the numbers would be very bad news for said company....
the 'test' is very rigid, the problem is now that what it was originally specced to do and what output's are not used from leave it open to 'cleaver' map calibrations to do well in the test.
treetops said:
Watch as the 0-60 times increase too.
Flooring the accelerator and banging the clutch up isn't really an option really...
I don't see why this should be the case at all, the 0-60 times have always required some fairly harsh treatment of the car to achieve. Flooring the accelerator and banging the clutch up isn't really an option really...
Do you attempt to acheive the manufacturers 0-60 time several times a day?
Plus the Americans will sue a lot faster than most Europeans; this car doesn't do as much mpg as it's supposed to, I got concussion after hitting my head off the windscreen because I wasn't wearing my seatbelt, the cup holders spilt hot coffee on me after I rolled it upside down...
Don't see the same thing happening in the EU for myriad reasons.
Don't see the same thing happening in the EU for myriad reasons.
Toaster Pilot said:
who actually gets the consumption claimed by the manufacturer in any modern car?!
Me, Ran a 1999 peugeot 106 GTi for the past 5 years and the claimed combined figure was 33, I averaged 36/37.
I now have a 57 plate mazda 3 MPS and since I picked it up on the 2nd jan and reset the trip on collection ive averaged 29.5 against a claimed 29.1 combined, granted ive only done 3/400 miles at most im still achieving the quoted figures.
Edited by DaveH23 on Monday 14th January 23:54
I easily, and constantly, exceed the MPG figures of my old 5 series.
One experience I have of Kia though, my wife had a Ceed with a 1.4 litre engine, it would use more fuel on a motorway run than my 2.8 litre straight 6 (legal speeds).
Hers was a 58 plate, their economy on petrol engines was very poor when compared to European cars.
One experience I have of Kia though, my wife had a Ceed with a 1.4 litre engine, it would use more fuel on a motorway run than my 2.8 litre straight 6 (legal speeds).
Hers was a 58 plate, their economy on petrol engines was very poor when compared to European cars.
clarkey540i said:
The EU test cycle is a joke. It's ridiculously easy to map an ECU for cycle beating. This is also the reason remaps for modern cars are so effective, the ECU is purposefully detuned at certain spots and an aftermarket remap removes those restrictions.
Cough BMW cough.
rehab71 said:
It's not the manufacturers' fault, it's the EU who control the tests which are done on a rolling road
Burn it down!Do you think if wales or insert country name here would have its on special testing the results would be any different ?
Its sad, how people can be so naive.
wheedler said:
Burn it down!
Do you think if wales or insert country name here would have its on special testing the results would be any different ?
Its sad, how people can be so naive.
pretty sure it was a UK designed test too (an amagamation of the older drive tests)Do you think if wales or insert country name here would have its on special testing the results would be any different ?
Its sad, how people can be so naive.
if people can remember back, we used to have constant 56Mph/urban/etc. figures and these were wildly un-representative (I remember the Metro advert quoting 83Mpg@30Mph, no chance anybody could actually get that)
wheedler said:
Do you think if wales or insert country name here would have its on special testing the results would be any different ?
I don't understand the point. If the test wasn't the same, of course they would; if the test was the same of course they wouldn't. It does amuse me slightly when people blame manufacturers for unrealistic test results. When a block the size of the EU introduces a completely standardised test, of course the manufacturers are going to try to get the best results they can on it. To not do so would be madness. The problem is that the test is a bit rubbish.
Edited by kambites on Tuesday 15th January 08:13
Mattt said:
Cough BMW cough.
I actually just completed a lifecycle analysis of the new 5 series and compared it to one from ten years ago. I had a bit of a rant about the EU test cycle and decided to look into whether the drop in fuel consumption on the test cycle resulted in the same real world drop. Using various resources, like the mpg wiki on here and a similar one on Honest John, it seems that all that is happening is manufacturers getting better at cycle beating. BMW achieve, across the range, an average of 83% of their quoted figures. All the BMW's I've had, from the 1990s, have bettered the quoted figures. Mattt said:
clarkey540i said:
The EU test cycle is a joke. It's ridiculously easy to map an ECU for cycle beating. This is also the reason remaps for modern cars are so effective, the ECU is purposefully detuned at certain spots and an aftermarket remap removes those restrictions.
Cough BMW cough.
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