RE: Spotted: Renaultsport Clio V6 255
Discussion
Id be surprised to find a half-decent 3yr old Coxter for this money.
I agree that the price is too high, but, if thats what the market will take...... Personally I don't think that dynamically this car warrants the attention it gets, there are plenty of cars out there that would run rings around it. But, and its a big but, if you as an owner get the grin-factor when you drive it, who cares.
I had a 5 litre TVR, all the nay-sayers telling me that it would be a 'mare, that it would break down etc; I had one 'Fail to proceed' when the car got hot and wouldnt start (sorted by fitting the LR hot-start kit...) and I learnt that the side windows were damn useful as the car seemed so easy to provoke into over-steer.....!
Personally, I'd forgotton about these. OK, not forgotten, but the had sort of dropped off my radar. Unfortunately they are now back on it.
Oh, and Coxsters are clitoris cars; every
has one (and often driven aggressively by aforementioned in my experience....)
I agree that the price is too high, but, if thats what the market will take...... Personally I don't think that dynamically this car warrants the attention it gets, there are plenty of cars out there that would run rings around it. But, and its a big but, if you as an owner get the grin-factor when you drive it, who cares.
I had a 5 litre TVR, all the nay-sayers telling me that it would be a 'mare, that it would break down etc; I had one 'Fail to proceed' when the car got hot and wouldnt start (sorted by fitting the LR hot-start kit...) and I learnt that the side windows were damn useful as the car seemed so easy to provoke into over-steer.....!
Personally, I'd forgotton about these. OK, not forgotten, but the had sort of dropped off my radar. Unfortunately they are now back on it.
Oh, and Coxsters are clitoris cars; every
has one (and often driven aggressively by aforementioned in my experience....) British Beef said:
I may be a little biased, but for similar money to buy and a similar design concept (mid mounted V8, manual, RWD, 2 seats), minimal depreciation although higher running costs compensated by higher performance (and supercar looks) I think the Esprit V8 makes a good case for itself against these?
Probably a much better example of what you could buy for similar money than something mass produced (boxster), probably has a similar following and cult status, equally as rare etc etc However, and i mean no offence, i just couldnt help feeling by driving an Esprit, i wanted a supercar but couldnt afford to buy an Italian supercar or i was staunchly British with a stiff upper lip and wanted too support our motor industry.
There seems to be no other car like a Clio V6, there may be other cars for the money, probably better performing, better handling and better looking (respectively) but nothing is directly comparable in terms to design and for that sheer lunacy i can see its value, maybe not the asking price of this particular one as it would seem there are cheaper around and this is the high end of the spectrum.
A mk1 for a fair bit under 10k presents great value to me for a ltd run model and sure with some suspension tweeks and sticky rubber it would tame the questionable handling.
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
HTP99 said:
I have fond memories of the Clio V6.
The garage I still work for sold the Mk1 V6 that Evo ran to them and bought it back when they had finished with it, I subsequently sold it on with a stonking exhaust that Evo had made for it, it sounded epic however after 20 minutes it was just too much.
When the Mk2 came out we had a showroom one in Illiad blue, we had a very large showroom and I remember one quiet Saturday evening we would see how fast we could get up to from one side of the showroom to the handover bay, it opened up straight to the car park, we spent an hour cleaning the tyre marks off if the tiles.
Er, actually I bought (new), owned and ran the Mk1 that appeared in Evo's longtermers. After a long sarga of a corroding original exhaust I had Quicksilver (I think) make up an exhaust. It was horrendous with an ear bleeding mid range boom and I never ran it on the car. When Renault brought out the MK2 they hid the exhaust behind those plastic grills, rather than produce a better quality exhaust. I think they got fed up with my complaining about the cheapo item fitted to the MK1 in those longtermer articles!The garage I still work for sold the Mk1 V6 that Evo ran to them and bought it back when they had finished with it, I subsequently sold it on with a stonking exhaust that Evo had made for it, it sounded epic however after 20 minutes it was just too much.
When the Mk2 came out we had a showroom one in Illiad blue, we had a very large showroom and I remember one quiet Saturday evening we would see how fast we could get up to from one side of the showroom to the handover bay, it opened up straight to the car park, we spent an hour cleaning the tyre marks off if the tiles.
Edited by Pugsey on Saturday 19th January 00:21
Which dealer did you buy it from and what did you do with the car when you had finished with it?
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 19th January 07:44
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 19th January 08:04
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 19th January 08:04
Edited by HTP99 on Saturday 19th January 09:39
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
Was it Mike Lawrence you dealt with?
While agreeing that these are now a safe 'investment' - ie you won't loose money - I seriously doubt they'll actually make money for you for a few years yet. Depending on who's asking, and how firm their grip is on reality, these little beasts have been floating between £13k and £18k for a few years now. Personally I think £17k is a bit strong and wouldn't pay over £15k for the one advertised. We (six man car syndicate I belong to) recently bought one (in black) for £16k - two owners, 17,000 miles, full history and never seen the rain.
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
Was it Mike Lawrence you dealt with?
Pugsey said:
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
Was it Mike Lawrence you dealt with?
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
Was it Mike Lawrence you dealt with?
Ah, great little car - I shall have to dig out some old EVOs and revive fond memories. One of the few cars I've owned that I've wanted to revisit (and now have).
And now for something completely different I'm off to play in snowy 'green lanes' in the Landie.
Have a good w/e.
"I do love these, I remember there was a little story about VW misinterpreting Renaults intention with it.
Story goes that Renault were developing a "3l Clio", VW assumed this was 3l of fuel per 100km and so made the Lupo 3l economy car as a response...
How true it was I don't know but I am glad Renault did a proper job with this, they look amazing on the road."
The way I heard it was actually the other way round. VW were working on a 3L economy car, Renault heard a rumour and assumed they meant 3L engined.
Story goes that Renault were developing a "3l Clio", VW assumed this was 3l of fuel per 100km and so made the Lupo 3l economy car as a response...
How true it was I don't know but I am glad Renault did a proper job with this, they look amazing on the road."
The way I heard it was actually the other way round. VW were working on a 3L economy car, Renault heard a rumour and assumed they meant 3L engined.
TaylotS2K said:
Above the age of 25, you'd look silly driving one of these.
(great bit of fishing btw, here's another bite for you...)Here's me looking rather silly on a PH Ecosse run last year.
Great cars and the fact a mainstream manufacturer had the balls to put it into production is something to be celebrated in my opinion. I don't think we'll see the likes of this again (would love to be wrong!).
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
PascalBuyens said:
HTP99 said:
Pugsey said:
Hi,
I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
What I was told was true then, I sold it out of their now closed Guildford branch.I bought the car new from a Renault dealer in Woking (SMC?). I then ran it in the longtermers section of EVO for about a year before selling it. I think I sold it back to the same dealer - but the memory dims a bit that far back. Moved on to an E46 M3 which was also featured in EVO.
I was lucky enough to help with the exhaust development on the prototypes, there's even a picture of me in one of the books about the project! I'd love a ph2, but if prices are starting to rise it'll probably not happen now. Apparently though, it's possible to get the Ph1 to handle like a ph2, and I shouldn't think you'd notice the lack of power on the road. I'm surprised to hear that prices are rising in Europe, I certainly didn't think that the French view old cars with the respect that we do. Perhaps it's to do with the whole classic car bubble at the moment (anyone remember the late 80's early 90's?), but that's another topic...
I think out of the whole European market the French cars are the most expensive. Here in Moscow there is one clio v6 for sale in the whole country, a phase 1, up for 30,000 euros I think!
I have a phase 2 which I keep in the uk and absolutely love it. I didn't buy it because of its speed and handling, and thought as many others do after reading various reviews that it might be a bit underwhelming on the driving front. However it has so far exceeded all my expectations, it feels like a little rocket ship, perhaps it's the noise, either way it's immense fun and also flies around the corners, back stepped out when driving hard through some twisty lanes and was no drama at all, perhaps It was the recent geo setup but its on the standard koni shocks and feels perfectly predictable!
My on road comparisons are a db9, 997 carrera s and various AMGs so I wasn't coming from a Saxo.
Also a lot of pleasure for me is the fact that the car is a bit odd, I have very little intrest in French cars but the story behind this car and the way it was built really intrests me, I look at the thing and I still can't work it out, it's just weird and interesting and I love it. I'm taking mine to Switzerland and back in march and was thinking of adding it to the reader rides section afterwards if its of any interest.
I have a phase 2 which I keep in the uk and absolutely love it. I didn't buy it because of its speed and handling, and thought as many others do after reading various reviews that it might be a bit underwhelming on the driving front. However it has so far exceeded all my expectations, it feels like a little rocket ship, perhaps it's the noise, either way it's immense fun and also flies around the corners, back stepped out when driving hard through some twisty lanes and was no drama at all, perhaps It was the recent geo setup but its on the standard koni shocks and feels perfectly predictable!
My on road comparisons are a db9, 997 carrera s and various AMGs so I wasn't coming from a Saxo.
Also a lot of pleasure for me is the fact that the car is a bit odd, I have very little intrest in French cars but the story behind this car and the way it was built really intrests me, I look at the thing and I still can't work it out, it's just weird and interesting and I love it. I'm taking mine to Switzerland and back in march and was thinking of adding it to the reader rides section afterwards if its of any interest.
pSyCoSiS said:
I quite like the Clio V6
And that looks stunning in that Black Gold paintwork.
How reliable are the engines on these?
Are they cambelt or chain driven?
Sorry - I am not that-up-to speed on fast French cars!
I had the same engine in three 406 coupes I owned over 10 year period (210 bhp version).And that looks stunning in that Black Gold paintwork.
How reliable are the engines on these?
Are they cambelt or chain driven?
Sorry - I am not that-up-to speed on fast French cars!
I used them hard but serviced every year, One failed coil pack is the only issue in 10 years and was replaced under warranty. So the engines are pretty reliable, I could get 155 mph out of mine, found the earlier engines (pre- 2000) to be slightly quicker.
In standard form in the 406 coupe , mid range was better than a 350Z so in a car as light as this it will be electric, especially with the extra power.
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