RE: Fiesta ST prices & specs revealed
Discussion
nickfrog said:
What you're saying is that you wouldn't buy a new car. Or maybe you can enlighten us as to which new car offers better performance for £17k list ?
I think there is a context to it.I wouldn't walk into a dealership with £17k cash and buy one, as I'd then look at the used M3/RS/911 options. But the price tag makes one a temptingly affordable prospect to finance and it needs to be affordable to drag buyers away £20k Audi A1s into a ford.
nickfrog said:
What you're saying is that you wouldn't buy a new car. Or maybe you can enlighten us as to which new car offers better performance for £17k list ?
Exactly. This is just what new cars cost, people need to wake up and accept this. There would be no reason for Ford to charge less. They are under-cutting Skoda!
nickfrog said:
Insurance for a 19 year old on a Fiesta ST would be £2K or so I assume ?
I've had customers of that age get quoted £2.5k for a 1.25i Zetec before now. So I'd expect something North of £5k for an ST, if they'd even cover it at all. Yes, we do often finance people at half the monthly payment they're paying to their insurance company...
StottyZr said:
Ford briefing said:
- Sound Symposer: Amplifies the throaty frequencies enthusiasts crave in performance cars.
this is literally the home of the car enthusiast (in the UK anyway) and nobody on here seems to even like the idea nevermind crave it.Sound symposer. Yeah it's mad, but frankly it doesn't bother me. I rented a new shape Ford Escape last summer in California. (It's the future replacement for the Kuga BTW and a brilliant car). It sounded amazing actually, a brilliant enhanced V6 sound. I opened the bonnet and saw a 4 cylinder 1.6 Ecoboost ! 180hp though, so the same engine as the Fiesta ST.
I doubt they'll give is a V6 sound in Europe though... we're not THAT dumb. Or are we ?
I doubt they'll give is a V6 sound in Europe though... we're not THAT dumb. Or are we ?
Edited by nickfrog on Wednesday 23 January 18:29
The bhp per tonne does not always work out. Maybe it did around 40 or 50 years ago. I am sure if you raced a Corsa VXR with your Fiesta Zetec S, the VXR would wipe the floor with you.
One thing many of you who love to go on about bhp per tonne is, you are forgetting AERODYNAMICS!!! That plays a very big role.
One thing many of you who love to go on about bhp per tonne is, you are forgetting AERODYNAMICS!!! That plays a very big role.
ManaghGB said:
Mk7 Fiesta Zetec S weighs 1091kg with the 1.0 eco-boost engine, so say roughly 1150kg with the bigger seats and turbo etc.
That makes 153bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 152bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 166bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(Figures adjusted due to inaccurate weight values)
That makes 153bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 152bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 166bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(Figures adjusted due to inaccurate weight values)
Edited by ManaghGB on Tuesday 22 January 17:47
hachiroku said:
HighwayStar said:
Lol, good spot fella, the BRZ should be 15k was the argument but this is right on the money!
Seriously the ST looks decent value and will no doubt be a great drive, not for me though. Not any Ford, there is just something that I can't get past with them. It's not a badge thing, Mercs don't rock my world either.
I'm finding this bemusing, right on the money how? It looks like a squashed people carrier, its based on a cheaper car, it will have safe no thrills handling, a high centre of gravity and pedals that make heel n toe a chore. Sure it will have lots of grip and corner hard but that gets boring after a week.Seriously the ST looks decent value and will no doubt be a great drive, not for me though. Not any Ford, there is just something that I can't get past with them. It's not a badge thing, Mercs don't rock my world either.
As for the high COG, behave... They're not that tall, I'm not going to check but I bet there isn't much in it with a Clio.
Fair comment though looks like you had a Friday car where the Ford production line workers buggered off home early ..had similar experiences with my last E class where with normal reading you don't hear too much about reliability issues but mine seemed to have everything go wrong with it...last thing to go pop was the gearbox...last thing I expected...for what its worth suggest you ditch the car and move on
Short version: bought brand new Focus ST in Sept. 2012, broke down exactly 1 month later & had to recovered back to supplying dealer. Was then (unknown to me at the time) mis-diagnosed and continued to have running issues for the next month (which I was told lies about by the supplying dealer - "it's supposed to do that" before breaking down again in late November & recovery back to supplying dealer. Ended up being a wire in the engine bay that the insulation had rubbed through in less than 2.4K miles, contacting with the gearbox casing.
Now stuck with a car I have zero confidence in (can't afford to get rid) and totally spoiled what should have been a pleasant experience of buying & owning a brand-new vehicle.
So - Ford & reliable are not two words I ever expect to see used together, in my experience.
Long version: go into my profile and look at threads I have started on here in the last 3 months. If posting my experience makes any potential Focus ST buyers think twice then I would be mildly happy.
oobster said:
EdM said:
.....and it'll be reliable...
Apologies for banging on about this, but I intend to post my Ford experiences at every opportunity until I get bored reading my own posts. Short version: bought brand new Focus ST in Sept. 2012, broke down exactly 1 month later & had to recovered back to supplying dealer. Was then (unknown to me at the time) mis-diagnosed and continued to have running issues for the next month (which I was told lies about by the supplying dealer - "it's supposed to do that" before breaking down again in late November & recovery back to supplying dealer. Ended up being a wire in the engine bay that the insulation had rubbed through in less than 2.4K miles, contacting with the gearbox casing.
Now stuck with a car I have zero confidence in (can't afford to get rid) and totally spoiled what should have been a pleasant experience of buying & owning a brand-new vehicle.
So - Ford & reliable are not two words I ever expect to see used together, in my experience.
Long version: go into my profile and look at threads I have started on here in the last 3 months. If posting my experience makes any potential Focus ST buyers think twice then I would be mildly happy.
RTH said:
Time Ford put a far more exciting looking 2dr sports/coupe body on this excellent running gear, and gave it a better name too.
What a ridiculous idea 
The Zetec S goes very well and the ST 0-60 quoted isn't much slower than an FN2 CTR - should be a giggle
Edited by collateral on Friday 25th January 17:04
StottyZr said:
Ford briefing said:
- Sound Symposer: Amplifies the throaty frequencies enthusiasts crave in performance cars.
this is literally the home of the car enthusiast (in the UK anyway) and nobody on here seems to even like the idea nevermind crave it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff