RE: Fiesta ST prices & specs revealed
Discussion
ManaghGB said:
Mk7 Fiesta Zetec S weighs 1500kg with the 1.6 Ti-VCT engine, so say roughly 1600kg with the bigger seats and turbo etc.
That makes 110bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 113bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 118bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(All figures taken from Autotrader)
Those figures for the Clio are wrong. Clio Cup weighs 1204kg. 197 bhp - equals something in the 150s. Also, does a Fiesta really weigh 1500kg?!That makes 110bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 113bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 118bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(All figures taken from Autotrader)
Roma101 said:
Those figures for the Clio are wrong. Clio Cup weighs 1204kg. 197 bhp - equals something in the 150s. Also, does a Fiesta really weigh 1500kg?!
I had a Mk7 Fiesta Zetec S and I'm sure the specs said it was somewhere around the 1000kg mark, maybe slightly over. Nowhere near 1500kg anyway.Gizmoish said:
moanthebairns said:
Gizmoish said:
DanielSan said:
ellisd82 said:
Love how £17k for a small car is now considered a bargain! Same has happened in the 600cc bike market - Near £10k.
New cars now cost more than ever, so in comparison it is a bargain. An M3 is now over £60k.hmmmm........ I always thought it was all the needless s
t they put on poxy little cars like that nowadays (ESP ETC). All a car like that needs is a manual 5 box, a radio, fuel light and a steering wheel. then again maybe im talking out my arse
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1...
It calculates how much £x in a given year is in today's money. For instance, my Mum bought a shiny new Ford Escort 1.3 "Cosmopolitan" in August 1988. I remember this very clearly because the list price was £8888. That's £19,600 in today's money, for an arthritic tinny 70-odd bhp hatchback with terrible seats, zero crash safety, fitness windows in the back, brakes that didn't really work and plastics so hard you could skin a knuckle on them.
And you're complaining about £16k for a Fiesta that's actually bigger, has electronics you wouldn't have got on an S-Class, is probably faster and handles better than contemporary Ferraris and uses probably half the fuel?
Gizmoish said:
You'll find this surprising.
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1...
It calculates how much £x in a given year is in today's money. For instance, my Mum bought a shiny new Ford Escort 1.3 "Cosmopolitan" in August 1988. I remember this very clearly because the list price was £8888. That's £19,600 in today's money, for an arthritic tinny 70-odd bhp hatchback with terrible seats, zero crash safety, fitness windows in the back, brakes that didn't really work and plastics so hard you could skin a knuckle on them.
And you're complaining about £16k for a Fiesta that's actually bigger, has electronics you wouldn't have got on an S-Class, is probably faster and handles better than contemporary Ferraris and uses probably half the fuel?
manufacturing processes become cheaper, things improve over time design becomes simplified. look at tv's! they are cheap as fhttp://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/bills/article-1...
It calculates how much £x in a given year is in today's money. For instance, my Mum bought a shiny new Ford Escort 1.3 "Cosmopolitan" in August 1988. I remember this very clearly because the list price was £8888. That's £19,600 in today's money, for an arthritic tinny 70-odd bhp hatchback with terrible seats, zero crash safety, fitness windows in the back, brakes that didn't really work and plastics so hard you could skin a knuckle on them.
And you're complaining about £16k for a Fiesta that's actually bigger, has electronics you wouldn't have got on an S-Class, is probably faster and handles better than contemporary Ferraris and uses probably half the fuel?
k now. I pointed out I was shocked by how much new cars are now. I really don't see why as they are above inflation in this example.
17000 k in 3007 would cost £15k not the 13k they were selling them new for.
and it's f
king £17 k not £16 no wonder sales people put prices at 16,995! dukebox9reg said:
Think I'll wait for the Clio. Why are they not matching the power from the rivals? Seems strange, the focus seems to lead the way on power levels and the fiesta never does. It's always lagging behind.
It appears that it doesn't need to match the power because the 0-60 time is about the same. I know 0-60 != bhp/ton but it's a good indication. This ST seems to be rather lightweight.I'll confess that I'm a Ford fan, but I've not been a fan of some of the more recent frumpy models, and I slated the first pictures of the new Fiesta with its gaping mouth. But, having seen it at the Autosport show, and with the front number plate fitted it looks a lot less like Lesley Ash.
Having 180 bhp is probably not that much of an issue if the car can use it all and puts it down on the road well, I suppose a group test with its rivals will tell.
If I had that sort of money burning a hole in my pocket then I'd prefer to buy a Ford Escort RS Cosworth.
Having 180 bhp is probably not that much of an issue if the car can use it all and puts it down on the road well, I suppose a group test with its rivals will tell.
If I had that sort of money burning a hole in my pocket then I'd prefer to buy a Ford Escort RS Cosworth.
Chrisw666 said:
I love how so many people on here focus entirely on power figures as the important factor in car choices.
It must be sad living your life like a game of top trumps.
Wonder how many of these people have actually driven on the roads of Britain lately in the south east the density of traffic in both directions all the time makes super power by no means the first requirement- its very slow going out there now unless its 5am on a Sunday morning.It must be sad living your life like a game of top trumps.
I'm not a modern Ford fan. I think the new Fiesta's 'Snout' looks a bit ridiculous, I thought the Focus RS was too chintzy and thought it should have the wheels at the back involved in the driving.
However, I think this little ST has a bit of promise if it's competitively light. Good power, potentially good spread of torque from the turbo motor and one thing Ford often does well is it's steering feel. So as a road car I think this has some promise.
Let's hope the tests confirm this and that the engine is responsive to a bit of tuning.
However, I think this little ST has a bit of promise if it's competitively light. Good power, potentially good spread of torque from the turbo motor and one thing Ford often does well is it's steering feel. So as a road car I think this has some promise.
Let's hope the tests confirm this and that the engine is responsive to a bit of tuning.
ManaghGB said:
Mk7 Fiesta Zetec S weighs 1091kg with the 1.0 eco-boost engine, so say roughly 1150kg with the bigger seats and turbo etc.
That makes 153bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 152bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 166bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(Figures adjusted due to inaccurate weight values)
I've changed the figures so you can see, even with less power it should still keep up with the rivals. That makes 153bhp/tonne.
2011 Corsa VXR has 152bhp/tonne and the Clio 200 Cup has 166bhp/tonne. Fairly close power to weight so it should keep up with its "current" rivals, plus the extra torque over the NA Clio and that's all before the tuners get their hands on them. I'd put money on one putting out 250bhp within 6 months.
(Figures adjusted due to inaccurate weight values)
Edited by ManaghGB on Tuesday 22 January 17:47
currybum said:
moanthebairns said:
manufacturing processes become cheaper, things improve over time design becomes simplified. look at tv's! they are cheap as fk now.
Quite, which is how you get a car with more power, more safety equipment, more toys, less weight and better fuel consumption for less or equal equivalent money. Evo "paid" £15k for their ST in 2006...which is about £17550 in today's money. k now. For the £550 less you get much more car.......see things improve over time.
moanthebairns said:
I pointed out I was shocked by how much new cars are now. I really don't see why as they are above inflation in this example.
They are not, you need to compair like for like, not dealer haggled end of cycle specials vs. brand new RRP's.moanthebairns said:
17000 k in 3007 would cost £15k not the 13k they were selling them new for.
I imagine that £17k in 3007 would barely get you a happy meal.king good point, I cheerfully withdraw my comment if you have based your figures on 15kin 2006 I walked into a ford garage and the asking price without haggling was £13k.
this is naturally what I've based my figures on, but that was a standard one, there was extras for stripes, climate control and full leather etc so that might be why evos was 15. that or the car was always 15k.
moanthebairns said:
Froomee said:
moanthebairns said:
BBS-LM said:
I am liking this car more and more, and at £16K is a bargain when you compare it to the Clio, Should easily remap to 220Bhp. 
fking hell I thought it was a rip off. But then again I havent bought a car in years, they cost a fking fortune now. £13k about 5 year ago you could pick up a new ST
I dont think its a patch (look wise on my Fiesta) and to be honest I dont see me trading in my shopping trolley any time soon for one. 150 bhp is all I need to go to asda and back.
The second (ST500) I blew a hole in the Gearbox on Xmas day which left me stuck in the middle of the road as I didn't get it out of gear in time......... Luckily it was only 5 mins from my house so I put the hazards on and waited indoors
but otherwise fantastic cars although they were thirsty for the power output (my Z4M is comparable on fuel at 80mph on a run)havard01 said:
I'll confess that I'm a Ford fan, but I've not been a fan of some of the more recent frumpy models, and I slated the first pictures of the new Fiesta with its gaping mouth. But, having seen it at the Autosport show, and with the front number plate fitted it looks a lot less like Lesley Ash.
Having 180 bhp is probably not that much of an issue if the car can use it all and puts it down on the road well, I suppose a group test with its rivals will tell.
If I had that sort of money burning a hole in my pocket then I'd prefer to buy a Ford Escort RS Cosworth.
As an investment then yes the Cosworth is better, as a car to use every day and hoon at the weekends? I think the Fiesta would be a far better purchase.Having 180 bhp is probably not that much of an issue if the car can use it all and puts it down on the road well, I suppose a group test with its rivals will tell.
If I had that sort of money burning a hole in my pocket then I'd prefer to buy a Ford Escort RS Cosworth.
DanielSan said:
As an investment then yes the Cosworth is better, as a car to use every day and hoon at the weekends? I think the Fiesta would be a far better purchase.
Yeah fair comment, I wouldn't use a Cossie everyday either, but then I only live two miles from work, so I could walk to work. I don't at the moment because I'm lazy git.moanthebairns said:
you make a fking good point, I cheerfully withdraw my comment if you have based your figures on 15k
in 2006 I walked into a ford garage and the asking price without haggling was £13k.
this is naturally what I've based my figures on, but that was a standard one, there was extras for stripes, climate control and full leather etc so that might be why evos was 15. that or the car was always 15k.
just googled it. king good point, I cheerfully withdraw my comment if you have based your figures on 15kin 2006 I walked into a ford garage and the asking price without haggling was £13k.
this is naturally what I've based my figures on, but that was a standard one, there was extras for stripes, climate control and full leather etc so that might be why evos was 15. that or the car was always 15k.
£13,595 for a new one source, evo.
in that case above inflation.
Hang on a minute, this fwd girly parts bin special is good value at 17k. Not long ago people on here were saying a highly acclaimed 25k bespoke rwd coupe should be 16k. I've just signed my death warrant haven't I. Has ford customer service improved since the old days or something, why the praise?
I'm very much looking forward to getting our demo in a few weeks' time, first for the simple selfish reason of having a wee play with it, but also as we've had a great number of people for years asking for a hotter Fiesta than the 120PS Zetec S (which I currently run).
The Zetec S has a brilliant chassis that's capable of some very impressive cornering loads and all it is missing is real poke. The ST takes that basic recipe and adds 50% more power which should be enough for any mortal to make serious progress in.
We suspect it'll have better cross country pace than the Focus ST - or at the very least equal anywhere short of a long, derestricted motorway section - but if that were the brief, you wouldn't look at a hot hatch so much as a larger engined saloon car or sports coupe.
As for deals - we've not sold a Focus ST with a discount other than manufacturer finance incentives yet...
Launch offer is £250 Deposit Contribution, 4.9-7.9% APR and FOC Style Pack, consisting of grey painted alloys, red brake calipers and illuminated sill plates, 80% of pipeline orders are thus specified currently.
The Zetec S has a brilliant chassis that's capable of some very impressive cornering loads and all it is missing is real poke. The ST takes that basic recipe and adds 50% more power which should be enough for any mortal to make serious progress in.
We suspect it'll have better cross country pace than the Focus ST - or at the very least equal anywhere short of a long, derestricted motorway section - but if that were the brief, you wouldn't look at a hot hatch so much as a larger engined saloon car or sports coupe.
As for deals - we've not sold a Focus ST with a discount other than manufacturer finance incentives yet...
Launch offer is £250 Deposit Contribution, 4.9-7.9% APR and FOC Style Pack, consisting of grey painted alloys, red brake calipers and illuminated sill plates, 80% of pipeline orders are thus specified currently.
Edited by Zwolf on Tuesday 22 January 18:47
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