RE: Topless Golf R, fast Beetle GSR
Discussion
aka_kerrly said:
Aside from the BMW 1 series convertible, what other cabriolets are available at the moment that can offer 4 seats that aren't part of the VAG group.
- Peugeot 308 cc - top of the range model £27k before any options for a 160hp TDI
- Mercedes E Class - from £37k
- Lexus IS250C - from £35k
- Renault megane - £24k for 140hp TDI before options
- Volvo C70 - from £32k for a 150hp TDI > £39k for a T5 (230hp)
- Mini Convertible - £16k for £25k JCW edition + options
So while the Golf is by no means cheap it doesn't have a price tag beyond that of a similar powered Volvo or Lexus.
How about a 3 series with 220bhp and a folding hardtop and RWD?- Peugeot 308 cc - top of the range model £27k before any options for a 160hp TDI
- Mercedes E Class - from £37k
- Lexus IS250C - from £35k
- Renault megane - £24k for 140hp TDI before options
- Volvo C70 - from £32k for a 150hp TDI > £39k for a T5 (230hp)
- Mini Convertible - £16k for £25k JCW edition + options
So while the Golf is by no means cheap it doesn't have a price tag beyond that of a similar powered Volvo or Lexus.
Starting from 36,630.
Pablo16v said:
Yup, it's definitely getting tedious now. The obvious thing to say would be "just ignore them, they'll soon go away" but unfortunately I don't think they will.
Personally speaking I think nearly £40K for a Golf convertible is ludicrous, even for the R version, however I work in the oil & gas industry in Aberdeen and I know plenty of wealthy individuals who buy cars like this as every day motors (for themselves or their partners) while the sports cars are kept at home in the garage.
I think we're perfectly entitled to call people idiots who buy cars that are clearly comically overpriced - simply because it tells the manufacturers that they can get away with charging whatever they want, and thus we see prices keep on spiralling upwards.Personally speaking I think nearly £40K for a Golf convertible is ludicrous, even for the R version, however I work in the oil & gas industry in Aberdeen and I know plenty of wealthy individuals who buy cars like this as every day motors (for themselves or their partners) while the sports cars are kept at home in the garage.
We get screwed on this island - we all know it. Yet we don't talk with our wallets - people continue to enable the manufacturers to do whatever they want.
So yes, you buy an overpriced car and I'm fully entitled to call you an idiot.
GingerNinja said:
So yes, you buy an overpriced car and I'm fully entitled to call you an idiot.
Let's get this straight then...so unless it's a Dacia, or something akin to it...99% of all cars for sale...are in essence...over priced! I'd suggest you look in the mirror...posting before thinkingGingerNinja said:
I think we're perfectly entitled to call people idiots who buy cars that are clearly comically overpriced - simply because it tells the manufacturers that they can get away with charging whatever they want, and thus we see prices keep on spiralling upwards.
We get screwed on this island - we all know it. Yet we don't talk with our wallets - people continue to enable the manufacturers to do whatever they want.
So yes, you buy an overpriced car and I'm fully entitled to call you an idiot.
It is YOUR belief that it is overpriced because your won't/can't spend that kind of money on a new cabriolet. We get screwed on this island - we all know it. Yet we don't talk with our wallets - people continue to enable the manufacturers to do whatever they want.
So yes, you buy an overpriced car and I'm fully entitled to call you an idiot.
There are plenty of people in a fortunate position where spending £35k, 40k or 50k on a cabriolet that could only spend it's life being driven to M&S or a trendy cafe once or twice a week and they would be more than happy with "the top of the range golf"
Do you hate people who drink Coca Cola because they bought some brown fizzy water that costs 0.1p for 55p a can?
Edited by aka_kerrly on Friday 8th February 16:37
300bhp/ton said:
This is very true. With the modern electronics HP (well torque) is limited under certain conditions and most often in lower gears. In fact with these high powered fwd turbo cars I'm not convinced many of them actually make the claim HP until at least 3rd gear and likely illegal speeds.
The later DBW VAG 1.8Ts and the MK5 GTIs etc, get them on a cold wintery day and the torque governing comes down like an anvil in the first 3 gears. A proper little slap on the wrist!BoostMonkey said:
Nope never owned a Corrado sorry.
I would not want to be deploying all the power at the start of the turn (slow in fast out and all that) but halfway around the bend when you unwind the steering angle (if too much lock it can wash out a little, but that more due to the driver), it just grips and goes with no tramp or issue.
Torque is limited in 1st and 2nd to protect the gearbox and clutch though by around 100NM, but still 400NM.
But then again you should not really need to use those gears on track.
Being driven will all dynamics off and only ABS still active I can tell you I had to my knowledge no fancy computer trickery active, certainly nothing was kicking into to shuffle power, on one lap I did have the systems turned on an at one point it did kick in and that was only to dull the power slightly.
Modern chassis dynamics have come along way, if your around Donington on 29th March I would be more than happy to show you.
Not disputing that at all! I've driven a standard Focus ST and that has some impressive mechanical grip, but it's easy to push wide in the turns. It's quite a heavy car.I would not want to be deploying all the power at the start of the turn (slow in fast out and all that) but halfway around the bend when you unwind the steering angle (if too much lock it can wash out a little, but that more due to the driver), it just grips and goes with no tramp or issue.
Torque is limited in 1st and 2nd to protect the gearbox and clutch though by around 100NM, but still 400NM.
But then again you should not really need to use those gears on track.
Being driven will all dynamics off and only ABS still active I can tell you I had to my knowledge no fancy computer trickery active, certainly nothing was kicking into to shuffle power, on one lap I did have the systems turned on an at one point it did kick in and that was only to dull the power slightly.
Modern chassis dynamics have come along way, if your around Donington on 29th March I would be more than happy to show you.
I know Ford put a lot of effort into the RS and it has very wide tyres (for FWD) so I'm sure it has excellent grip.
Do the electronic aids really take a back seat when bypassed though? I think the majority of them just relax their intervention, rather than not acting at all.
I guess on a track things can work in your favour a little. High torque FWD + short wheel base + bumpy B roads don't generally give smooth progress
aka_kerrly said:
It is YOUR believe that it is overpriced because your won't/can't spend that kind of money on a new cabriolet.
There are plenty of people in a fortunate position where spending £35k, 40k or 50k on a cabriolet that could only spend it's life being driven to M&S or a trendy cafe once or twice a week and they would be more than happy with "the top of the range golf"
£40k is expensive for a fwd golf cabro in mine and most people here's opinion, some of which I know can afford to spend that kind of money on a cabriolet for the Mrs without too much thought. At 40k the car shouldn't be commercially viable imo, considering the only people who *might* buy this car tend to place great importance on whether a car is 'flashy' or not - and an equal priced Merc/BMW is undoubtedly more flashy.There are plenty of people in a fortunate position where spending £35k, 40k or 50k on a cabriolet that could only spend it's life being driven to M&S or a trendy cafe once or twice a week and they would be more than happy with "the top of the range golf"
WCZ said:
£40k is expensive for a fwd golf cabro in mine and most people here's opinion, some of which I know can afford to spend that kind of money on a cabriolet for the Mrs without too much thought. At 40k the car shouldn't be commercially viable imo, considering the only people who *might* buy this car tend to place great importance on whether a car is 'flashy' or not - and an equal priced Merc/BMW is undoubtedly more flashy.
I appreciate it is a tiny market but if it wasn't for niche cars then things could get very boring. The idea that it is bought as a flashy car is fine and yes a bit of metal with a Mercedes logo or BMW logo on it is also considered flashy by most. Only a fraction of these cars (4 seater convertibles) are bought for their dynamic ability and Nurburgring lap times!One think that irks me is how people constantly need to bring up the fact it is a FWD car, in the world outside of PH hardly anyone knows or cares about this and yet again I refer back to the Vovo C70 cabriolet that is also deemed commercially viable.
Why not focus on the RWD cars that have limited boots and even worse rear seating as these are probably far more important to the people who want to buy these types of cabriolets otherwise they would have stuck with a MX5 or similar?!
aka_kerrly said:
WCZ said:
£40k is expensive for a fwd golf cabro in mine and most people here's opinion, some of which I know can afford to spend that kind of money on a cabriolet for the Mrs without too much thought. At 40k the car shouldn't be commercially viable imo, considering the only people who *might* buy this car tend to place great importance on whether a car is 'flashy' or not - and an equal priced Merc/BMW is undoubtedly more flashy.
I appreciate it is a tiny market but if it wasn't for niche cars then things could get very boring. The idea that it is bought as a flashy car is fine and yes a bit of metal with a Mercedes logo or BMW logo on it is also considered flashy by most. Only a fraction of these cars (4 seater convertibles) are bought for their dynamic ability and Nurburgring lap times!One think that irks me is how people constantly need to bring up the fact it is a FWD car, in the world outside of PH hardly anyone knows or cares about this and yet again I refer back to the Vovo C70 cabriolet that is also deemed commercially viable.
Why not focus on the RWD cars that have limited boots and even worse rear seating as these are probably far more important to the people who want to buy these types of cabriolets otherwise they would have stuck with a MX5 or similar?!
Look around you, manufacturers in general are trying to bring exciting cars to the market for a realistic price. This is pure greed and (albiet brilliant execution of capitalisy principle) simply relying on your established brand to, in my eyes, rip people off.
GingerNinja said:
Pablo16v said:
Yup, it's definitely getting tedious now. The obvious thing to say would be "just ignore them, they'll soon go away" but unfortunately I don't think they will.
Personally speaking I think nearly £40K for a Golf convertible is ludicrous, even for the R version, however I work in the oil & gas industry in Aberdeen and I know plenty of wealthy individuals who buy cars like this as every day motors (for themselves or their partners) while the sports cars are kept at home in the garage.
I think we're perfectly entitled to call people idiots who buy cars that are clearly comically overpriced - simply because it tells the manufacturers that they can get away with charging whatever they want, and thus we see prices keep on spiralling upwards.Personally speaking I think nearly £40K for a Golf convertible is ludicrous, even for the R version, however I work in the oil & gas industry in Aberdeen and I know plenty of wealthy individuals who buy cars like this as every day motors (for themselves or their partners) while the sports cars are kept at home in the garage.
We get screwed on this island - we all know it. Yet we don't talk with our wallets - people continue to enable the manufacturers to do whatever they want.
So yes, you buy an overpriced car and I'm fully entitled to call you an idiot.
king joke!!
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