RE: Toyota GT86 TRD - official

[Triumph Man]

MC Bodge said:

Triumph Man said:

GrumpyTwig said:

Yawn, wake me up when they up the power. Till then... ZZZzzzzz

I'm afraid I don't get this attitude. Surely this is the sort of car you buy for the thrill of driving, not out and out speed.

...but how many people are actually interested in driving? Very few, I'd suggest.

Sadly true. If that's the case, this isn't the car for them. This is one of the few new cars that I've seen and thought: I really, really want one. Of course, I will be able to afford one after depreciation takes its toll...

[JulianCharity]

Looks great! Shame about the price - how much is a 370z again???

[DUBU]

I've no interest in the car unless they change the engine. (I had an original AE86 about 18 years ago)

I'm not a fan of add on forced induction the base should of been strong (engine wise) from the start, turbo charging it will turn it more into a 200sx type car than the ae86 type car that it is meant to be, which had a n/a screamer from the start.

Now if Honda had of built a fastback 2+2 based on the s2000 it would of been right up my street, missed oppertunity imo.

[300bhp/ton]

DUBU said:

I've no interest in the car unless they change the engine. (I had an original AE86 about 18 years ago)

I'm not a fan of add on forced induction the base should of been strong (engine wise) from the start, turbo charging it will turn it more into a 200sx type car than the ae86 type car that it is meant to be, which had a n/a screamer from the start.

I don't really get the AR86 comparisons. Remember this is a Subaru as well as a Toyota.

Also it's one of the more pokey n.a. engines of this displacement on the market today and not really far off any of the previous greats (CTR, S2k).

More power without a turbo would mean more displacement - ie a V6 or bigger. This will add weight and somewhat pollute the handling.

If you are such an AE86 purist would you also want Toyota to ditch the IRS and fit a live axle like the old AE86 had????

[eliotrw]

this car is basically just a massive cock tease.

GIVE ME MORE POWER

[Big News]

eliotrw said:

this car is basically just a massive cock tease.

GIVE ME MORE POWER

It really doesn't need it.

[Zed Ed]

I'm guessing this was largely decided by Japan and not Toyota UK and does look like a bit of a fail.

I'd be interested to know if these are converted from stock cars in the UK.

[300bhp/ton]

eliotrw said:

this car is basically just a massive cock tease.

GIVE ME MORE POWER

What you mean like BMW offer in the Z4 for this kind of money, where you can pick from 156 or 184hp? Or indeed if looking at base models only 143hp?

[Alfa159Ti]

Lose two of the tailpipes and that is the first GT86 I have seen that actually looks good to my eye.

[AngryPartsBloke]

300bhp/ton said:

What you mean like BMW offer in the Z4 for this kind of money, where you can pick from 156 or 184hp? Or indeed if looking at base models only 143hp?

Or the M135I with 300....

[MC Bodge]

I prefer the bottom one...

[DanielSan]

GrumpyTwig said:

Yawn, wake me up when they up the power. Till then... ZZZzzzzz

I find it odd that you have a Clio 200 yet don't think the GT86 has enough power. If 200bhp isn't enough why didn't you buy something other than the Clio? A nice V8 M5 for example would've cost less than your current car and has the 'correct' amount of bhp...

[DUBU]

300bhp/ton said:

I don't really get the AR86 comparisons. Remember this is a Subaru as well as a Toyota.

I don't really get why you don't get the ae86 comparisons when they come directly from Toyota themselfs, both as motivation for the project and marketing of the eventual project ( even down to the name ) I had no idea Subaru where involved, thak you for the revelation.

300bhp/ton said:

If you are such an AE86 purist would you also want Toyota to ditch the IRS and fit a live axle like the old AE86 had????

That is a truely bizzare comment.

[MC Bodge]

300bhp/ton said:

Also it's one of the more pokey n.a. engines of this displacement on the market today and not really far off any of the previous greats (CTR, S2k).

More power without a turbo would mean more displacement

I don't think that that turbos are a bad thing per se. Good low-rpm grunt makes a decent turbo-diesel easy to drive, with good every-day performance -rather than redlining through the gears- that would have required a 3+ litre petrol in the past. I like this aspect of my Mondeo, and its reasonable fuel consumption. I'm aware that throttle response isn't as sharp as my carb'd motorbike, but this isn't a factor for a lot of people.

The availability of grunty turbo (petrol and diesel) cars raises expectations of low-rpm grunt in all cars.


Given that even Honda don't even do the S2000 VTEC etc. any more, if the n/a 2.0 GT86 was tuned for 250bhp, and could get through Euro emissions testing, then it would presumably be at the expense of low rpm grunt. People would then either be happy with the Top Trumps headline power figure or/and even more disappointed with their inability to out-drag diesel saloons on the motorway without changing down a couple of gears.

[300bhp/ton]

DUBU said:

I don't really get why you don't get the ae86 comparisons when they come directly from Toyota themselfs, both as motivation for the project and marketing of the eventual project

You cracked it - marketing. It's all marketing lead bullst. The AE86 has nothing to do with the GT86, not in ethos or development. As for motivation, nope I suspect money and/or company branding were more likely drivers.

I'm not saying the AE86 wasn't a good car, but it has less to do with the GT86 than the original Mini has to do with the current MINI. A lot less.

DUBU said:

( even down to the name ) I had no idea Subaru where involved, thak you for the revelation.

It has a Subaru boxer engine?? Not too mention it's sold as the Subaru BRZ and has been plastered all over PH and internet for the past 18-24 months.

DUBU said:

300bhp/ton said:

If you are such an AE86 purist would you also want Toyota to ditch the IRS and fit a live axle like the old AE86 had????

That is a truely bizzare comment.

Why? You say you want it more like the AR86, which lets face it was nothing much more than a odd looking coupe that wasn't quick in it's day either. It's live rear axle however is one of its defining qualities. Surely if this was a true homage, then like the current Mustang, Toyota should have stuck with this tried and tested configuration.

[MC Bodge]

I find the historical link more than a little tenuous too.



I was only vaguely aware of the rwd Corolla coupe at the time. The fwd version was more common around our way.

[confused_buyer]

The last car I remember being called a TRD was a Citroen BX. Citroen quickly realised their mistake and it became the BX19 DTR in a couple of months.

[g3org3y]

Big News said:

eliotrw said:

this car is basically just a massive cock tease.

GIVE ME MORE POWER

It really doesn't need it.

If Toyota are going to stick 4 exhaust pipes on it, I think it does!

[TomTVR500]

With a car like this I would argue that you are much better off buying a basic one and going about tuning it to your preferences anyway.
Why wait for Toyota or Subaru to do it and charge you through the nose for it?
You will end up wanting to change at least a couple of things anyway, even if Toyota or Subaru released a properly sorted one. That’s just how this whole car enthusiast thing works

I would take great pleasure from doing one up myself with the £6k I would save by not buying a limited edition like this.

Just my thoughts.

[DanielSan]

TomTVR500 said:

With a car like this I would argue that you are much better off buying a basic one and going about tuning it to your preferences anyway.
Why wait for Toyota or Subaru to do it and charge you through the nose for it?
You will end up wanting to change at least a couple of things anyway, even if Toyota or Subaru released a properly sorted one. That’s just how this whole car enthusiast thing works

I would take great pleasure from doing one up myself with the £6k I would save by not buying a limited edition like this.

Just my thoughts.

Spot on.

£6k would buy a good set of coilovers,exhaust, uprate the brakes, new wheels and tyres and a pair of buckets and harnesses. Job done.