RE: Blood Brothers: Mercedes E55 AMG vs Chrysler 300C
Discussion
StefanVXR8 said:
As an ex-300C SRT8 owner I'd have to say that it is so much better than people would imagine.
It was a lot quicker to 60 than the official figure stated, typically they will break 60 in 4.5 seconds as standard, buy a £300 Predator Diablo and that 0-60 time got just above 4 seconds, plus you could remove the 167 mph limit and they are good for 190+ mph.
Stef
Yeah... if the quoted 0-60 times were a bit optimistic, 190+ mph aint happening sonny.It was a lot quicker to 60 than the official figure stated, typically they will break 60 in 4.5 seconds as standard, buy a £300 Predator Diablo and that 0-60 time got just above 4 seconds, plus you could remove the 167 mph limit and they are good for 190+ mph.
Stef
C36 Nico said:
StefanVXR8 said:
As an ex-300C SRT8 owner I'd have to say that it is so much better than people would imagine.
It was a lot quicker to 60 than the official figure stated, typically they will break 60 in 4.5 seconds as standard, buy a £300 Predator Diablo and that 0-60 time got just above 4 seconds, plus you could remove the 167 mph limit and they are good for 190+ mph.
Stef
Yeah... if the quoted 0-60 times were a bit optimistic, 190+ mph aint happening sonny.It was a lot quicker to 60 than the official figure stated, typically they will break 60 in 4.5 seconds as standard, buy a £300 Predator Diablo and that 0-60 time got just above 4 seconds, plus you could remove the 167 mph limit and they are good for 190+ mph.
Stef
There's a couple of guys in the states who evidenced the plus side of 190 in Nevada in a pair of 300C SRT8's.
...............and unless you are in your 70's old man, I'm not your sonny.
It appears that the fastest a bone-stock SRT8 can go is 171 MPH. At least that is the fastest ever by two extremely enthusiastic and experienced SRT8 owners have achieved in the U.S. Arizona desert.
So I think we can put that one firmly to bed stephan. Carry on..
Do you have any idea the amount of horsepower it takes to bring a car from 171 to 191 miles per hour?
Not an exhaust and remap I can assure you.
Enough horsechit for today
So I think we can put that one firmly to bed stephan. Carry on..
Do you have any idea the amount of horsepower it takes to bring a car from 171 to 191 miles per hour?
Not an exhaust and remap I can assure you.
Enough horsechit for today
Edited by C36 Nico on Thursday 21st February 14:31
Kawasicki said:
To all those knocking the Chrysler, you may not like the looks or the image or the perceived quality, but I found the car to be good fun to drive, in a powerful/balanced/fairly precise/classic rwd style.
Yes, and it is a shame that a comparison with the SRT8 couldn't be made because it is a completely different car than the 5.7 in both power and handling.A £1,500 investment in a decent exhaust, CAI, Predator with a custom tune from a very talented guy in Florida would see you knocking on the door of 500bhp and that's before you start looking at cams and FI.
One other thing, the 300C seems to be pretty corrosion resistant, mine as it just flipped 3.5 years old had no signs of corrosion anywhere and the underneath was in almost like new condition which wasn't bad given the amount of salt we throw down on our roads each year!
Stef
Chrysler 300's have never and will never be bought by anyone in Britain that isn't 100% aware of their shortcomings in interior quality,refinement or lack of Nurburgring worrying levels of handling prowess.
They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
infradig said:
Chrysler 300's have never and will never be bought by anyone in Britain that isn't 100% aware of their shortcomings in interior quality,refinement or lack of Nurburgring worrying levels of handling prowess.
They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
So the merc had superior ride quality, better fuel economy, better interior quality and looks better?They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
Right, nothing new there...
moving on..
C36 Nico said:
infradig said:
Chrysler 300's have never and will never be bought by anyone in Britain that isn't 100% aware of their shortcomings in interior quality,refinement or lack of Nurburgring worrying levels of handling prowess.
They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
So the merc had superior ride quality, better fuel economy, better interior quality and looks better?They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
Right, nothing new there...
moving on..
- yes I know using the word beauty when referring to the 300c is ,shall we say,ironic but you know what I mean.
turboman786 said:
It's absolutely a non-contest....e55 every time....Chrylser is just a heap of yank carp....
bit of a fishy post 
seriously though look at the relative depreciation between the 2 - the Merc has lost an extra £30k (minimum) over the 300C, who do you think will be happier about that? I agree the Merc has a nicer interior - but the 300C doesn't have a poor interior and then looks waaaaay better on the outside (I know, I know, it's all personal taste).
At this age I'd be going 300C all the way as I suspect it'll be a LOT cheaper to fix as and when things go wrong or start wearing out on age related issues. Long story short I'm all for the 300
though to be fair... this would be a concern!!!
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/c...
Edited by irocfan on Friday 22 February 12:32
The article mentions that the steering in the E55 is sharper.
I have never driven the AMG version but have spent a lot of time behind the wheel of an E320 of the same era. I can report that the steering feel and handling on the E320 is woeful. It has a very dull feel offering no feedback what so ever, and similarly no feel from what the tyres are doing either.
Has anyone here driven both, and if so what differences does the AMG tuning to the suspension/steering make on the overall driving feel of the car?
I have never driven the AMG version but have spent a lot of time behind the wheel of an E320 of the same era. I can report that the steering feel and handling on the E320 is woeful. It has a very dull feel offering no feedback what so ever, and similarly no feel from what the tyres are doing either.
Has anyone here driven both, and if so what differences does the AMG tuning to the suspension/steering make on the overall driving feel of the car?
C36 Nico said:
infradig said:
Chrysler 300's have never and will never be bought by anyone in Britain that isn't 100% aware of their shortcomings in interior quality,refinement or lack of Nurburgring worrying levels of handling prowess.
They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
So the merc had superior ride quality, better fuel economy, better interior quality and looks better?They(we) buy them because they love the way they look,the comfort and space, the performance( even the diesels go well enough) , the value and because it's not another Merc/BMW/Audi ( in my street of 7 houses there are 3 BMWs,5 Mercs and 2 Audis).
For a couple of months last year I had a W211 and 300C at the same time ,albeit they were both diesels not V8's, the only areas the Merc was superior in were fuel economy and ride,in fact whenever I got in the 300 after a couple of days in the Merc it took about half an hour to not wince when driving over ridges in tarmac or potholes the Merc didn't even notice. But that apart , the Chrysler is great,as I more than conform to the compulsory PH physical standard I found the Merc cramped and the back seat is particularly narrow and poorly shaped,so much so my (admittedly spoilt ) kids refused to go in it. This failing is unique to the W211 I think as my old CLS didn't feel as cramped,apart from the lack of centre seat obviously, and that is a 211 in a party frock. W210's I've driven always seemed massive and even C Class hire cars I've driven recently didn't feel confined like that W211.
My W211 went to a new owner the day it was advertised and I had about 30 calls before I cancelled the ad,no doubt the Chrysler won't be as easy to sell, but you know what? I don't care,because I don't see myself wanting to get rid of it anytime soon.
Right, nothing new there...
moving on..
The petrol 300C's matched the E55 for fuel economy and probably cost less than half what the E55 cost to service.
Have a look in the classifieds for an E55 and an SRT8 (which is what this original subject should really have been about), is there a big difference in price? No, yet the E55 cost £80k new and the SRT8 £40k new.
If they both cost the same price new I may be slightly more on your side of the fence, however taking both cars in to consideration with costs new, depreciation and running costs in no way can anyway claim overall the Merc is the better car, unless of course they have never experienced another car let alone performance saloons that are being discussed here.
I've been in a 250 mile trip in an E55 and an owner of an SRT8 and personally taking everything in to account, I'd take the 300C every time.
Anyway this is just my humble opinion of course (with some experience to back it up). I'll say no more on the subject, I've got a 6.0 litre V8 to go and fettle................
imo the 300C looks much better with the grille in the article, but unfortunately the majority of them this side of the pond have the mesh.
At least we got the version with the best looking lights - the US face-lift had lights with a flat base bottom which looked terminally dull. The current one is horrible mess of that Ypsilon thing with a sprinkling of Audi.
iirc the US mags quoted the SRT 0-60 somewhere close to a 355...not bad for a 2 tonne slushmatic shaped like a brick!
At least we got the version with the best looking lights - the US face-lift had lights with a flat base bottom which looked terminally dull. The current one is horrible mess of that Ypsilon thing with a sprinkling of Audi.
iirc the US mags quoted the SRT 0-60 somewhere close to a 355...not bad for a 2 tonne slushmatic shaped like a brick!
Finesse vs bluff?
Prefer the finesse of the MB, loathe the expense and indifference of the German dealers. Which is more likely to last a 15 year life cycle with less dealer ripoff-erage involved...I would guess the Septic, but it's not a car that I ever imagine walking away from and looking back at and smiling at a 'proud possession'.
Love the American V8 engines, hate the chunky fat-fingered styling.
Prefer the finesse of the MB, loathe the expense and indifference of the German dealers. Which is more likely to last a 15 year life cycle with less dealer ripoff-erage involved...I would guess the Septic, but it's not a car that I ever imagine walking away from and looking back at and smiling at a 'proud possession'.
Love the American V8 engines, hate the chunky fat-fingered styling.
drivin_me_nuts said:
Finesse vs bluff?
Prefer the finesse of the MB, loathe the expense and indifference of the German dealers. Which is more likely to last a 15 year life cycle with less dealer ripoff-erage involved...I would guess the Septic, but it's not a car that I ever imagine walking away from and looking back at and smiling at a 'proud possession'.
Love the American V8 engines, hate the chunky fat-fingered styling.
Often brings a smile to myself when walking back to the carpark. Mainly just because of how fooking huge it is compared to the shopping trolley parked next to it mind.Prefer the finesse of the MB, loathe the expense and indifference of the German dealers. Which is more likely to last a 15 year life cycle with less dealer ripoff-erage involved...I would guess the Septic, but it's not a car that I ever imagine walking away from and looking back at and smiling at a 'proud possession'.
Love the American V8 engines, hate the chunky fat-fingered styling.
I like the 300C. I've not been in one yet but a friend of mine uses a diesel 300C as a taxi and he likes it as a work vehicle. I've seen one with the Chrysler badges removed and replaced with Bentley ones and the car actually looked really good. The front grille was a stylish stainless steel mesh similar to the GTC Bentley. All the centre caps on the wheels had Bentley badges on as well and the interior badges were all Bentley as well. It actually looked the part in a strange sort of way. The colour of the car was silver.
I'm not so taken with the new 300C styling though. If I was looking for a big V8 I'd certainly consider a 300C or even a diesel version. That Hemi in the article looked awesome.
I'm not so taken with the new 300C styling though. If I was looking for a big V8 I'd certainly consider a 300C or even a diesel version. That Hemi in the article looked awesome.
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