RE: McLaren P1 pricing and performance

[nickfrog]

I WISH said:

but it looks like it was designed by a committee ...... bloody awful!

Yeah, look at it, nothing special really. That committee were far too conservative. Looks like a bl00dy Fiesta !

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 26th February 18:35

[BeirutTaxi]

Dazed and Confused said:

As the public has not yet even seen any lap times or driven it, I'm not quite sure how you can 'understand' the car either.

If it's not about power figures, acceleration and top speed, why is that all that's been released? If this car is solely about the lap times, they'd surely just release, well, lap times.

Mclaren have said it will be similar pace to a Zonda R around a track.

Around a Grand Prix circuit such as Imola or Suzuka it will be somewhere around 20 seconds a lap faster than Zonda F.

Remember of course, that the closer to '0' seconds a lap you are doing the higher the percentage difference when comparing lap times. e.g. a car that does a second a lap is 300% faster than one that does 3 seconds a lap. Hence the comment stating that it wasn't 'relatively fast' compared to the Mclaren F1 is a flawed one.

Thus the percentage difference between the performance of the P1 and the rest of the automotive world is a big one

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Tuesday 26th February 18:42

[BeirutTaxi]

nickfrog said:

I WISH said:

but it looks like it was designed by a committee ...... bloody awful!

Yeah, look at it, nothing special really. That committee were far too conservative. Looks like a bl00dy Fiesta !

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 26th February 18:35

Generic like a Fiesta too

[Matt80M]

nickfrog said:

Yeah, look at it, nothing special really. That committee were far too conservative. Looks like a bl00dy Fiesta !

Edited by nickfrog on Tuesday 26th February 18:35

Love it

[isaldiri]

Peloton25 said:

McLaren wanted the instant torque that can only be supplied by batteries coupled to an electric motor. This is what will give the P1, 918 and Enzo replacement most of their performance advantage over traditional supercars with only an internal combustion engine. There is also an added economical benefit that is not the primary focus, but rather a perk, if you will.

The weight figure that has been floated is 1,400 kgs which is pretty astonishing I think. I do believe that to be a dry weight figure, but that was roughly the same dry weight figure that was published for the 12C and it was hardly a porker in the way it was constructed.

>8^)
ER

the 12C is 1450 ish kg with fuel/fluids I think?

[Grovsie26]

So its almost a million quid for a 12c with some bigger turbo's/boost, little fiddle with engine, bit of carbon trim hear and there, and a bigger spoiler, oh and completey pointless electric crap?

LOL.

Pagani please............

[HighwayStar]

Grovsie26 said:

So its almost a million quid for a 12c with some bigger turbo's/boost, little fiddle with engine, bit of carbon trim hear and there, and a bigger spoiler, oh and completey pointless electric crap?

LOL.

Pagani please............

Lol indeed, because after all, it really is that simple... Jeeezzzzzz

[Rich_W]

Looks are "interesting" not sure if I like them or not
Not fast enough top end. Seriosuly it's got massive potential to be 250+ surely?
Bleeding Expensive. If F150 undercuts it at all (let alone by £100K) then McL will struggle to shift 375 units. Even allowing for Inflation it's a lot more than the F1 at launch and not a ground breaker in the same way
Early launch before Ferrari is sadly inevitble. Ron lives to try and out do Ferrari all the time, at everything. (Hence why 12C was marginally cheaper than the 458) Bit childish I fear, since there's enough room for 2 companies.

Should have been a V12

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOy-HPrCK7o
(outside the factory, road was apparently closed btw)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYmIfDAQ9Y0
(how stable and calm!)

Talking of laptimes. What was the 12C's Ring time? I know they binned one on the first attempt (but then denied it was a time attack despite the camera helicopter )

[bobbylondonuk]

Wow! The casual dismissal of this piece of engineering by some of the 'petrolheads' on here amazes me! Look at the design and the cost of manufacture and the technology that has gone into this product. To dismiss that engine as just the same as the 12C with bigger blowers....that is stupidity. Maclaren has designed a new engine for the 12C, still sold small number of units and has just recently got their racing reliability and wins for this engine. To then bring that engine out in a different state of tune is not cakewalk!

Now add the aero and other design features and it is a special car indeed. Some of you need to get your heads checked.

[CraigyMc]

Bedazzled said:

I think McLaren should nominate a random PH poster to review the car in a detailed road and track test. The only selection criteria should be their username starts with "Be" and ends in "dazzled".

Never before have I thought about changing my user ID to "BeFeckingDazzled"...

[F1GTRUeno]

Limiting the top speed just sounds ridiculous.

Why bother making it so quick in the first place if you're just gonna limit things?

[Baddie]

Harry H said:

Soooo, boring. Yep it's super fast, but so what. Way quicker than anyone could possibly exploit on the road and there's loads better track kit for a tenth of the price.

It's no better looking that a host of other "Super Cars" that are a 3rd of the price as well.

Absolutely pointless. If I had the dosh, which I don't and desperately wanted a McLaren I'd buy it's much cheaper brother. More than enough car for 99.99999% of even the super talented drivers found on here and give the rest to charity.

Styling is House of Nike IMHO. The F1 is magical, this leaves me utterly cold.

[CraigyMc]

F1GTRUeno said:

Limiting the top speed just sounds ridiculous.

Why bother making it so quick in the first place if you're just gonna limit things?

If it genuinely makes as much downforce as they are suggesting, at some point the tyres would become a serious problem, in terms of the compromise between load rating/speed rating and being compliant enough not to have the ride quality of a derailed train.

C

[Rich_W]

CraigyMc said:

F1GTRUeno said:

Limiting the top speed just sounds ridiculous.

Why bother making it so quick in the first place if you're just gonna limit things?

If it genuinely makes as much downforce as they are suggesting, at some point the tyres would become a serious problem, in terms of the compromise between load rating/speed rating and being compliant enough not to have the ride quality of a derailed train.

C

Surely at over 200 the spoiler will retract to reduce drag

[BeirutTaxi]

Grovsie26 said:

So its almost a million quid for a 12c with some bigger turbo's/boost, little fiddle with engine, bit of carbon trim hear and there, and a bigger spoiler, oh and completey pointless electric crap?

LOL.

Pagani please............

Lol indeed. I'm building one in my shed as we speak

[Peloton25]

F1GTRUeno said:

Limiting the top speed just sounds ridiculous.

Why bother making it so quick in the first place if you're just gonna limit things?

I've come to suspect it is probably tires. Tires with the characteristics to travel continuously at much higher speeds would compromise the performance in other areas. Study up on the Veyron's wheel and tire combination that is capable of sustained speeds beyond 230 mph. It's probably a direction McLaren did not want to go with the P1.

>8^)
ER

[CraigyMc]

Rich_W said:

CraigyMc said:

F1GTRUeno said:

Limiting the top speed just sounds ridiculous.

Why bother making it so quick in the first place if you're just gonna limit things?

If it genuinely makes as much downforce as they are suggesting, at some point the tyres would become a serious problem, in terms of the compromise between load rating/speed rating and being compliant enough not to have the ride quality of a derailed train.

C

Surely at over 200 the spoiler will retract to reduce drag

That's a bit arbitrary, the 200mph thing. I think you'd agree if you were cornering on th limit at 200mph and it retracted when you got to 201mph..

C

[mybrainhurts]

PH said:

The official reveal – at which point, we hope,

Eeeee, lad, it's been revealed already.

Back in my day it were a launch, before these 'ere trendy pen pushers started aping illiterate colonials across the sea. We're doomed, I tell ye, doomed....

[Dr Z]

These Mclarens. It takes a certain kind to get it and it is sad that so many on PH, of all places, simply don't get it. These cars are not of the classical supercar or hypercar mould, so those looking for that kind of experience will be disappointed. The P1 is however a godsend for those that feel a little adventurous, a little open minded, and just have a little less of that rose tint on their glasses.

I, for one, welcome our new hypercar overlords, be it the P1, 918 Spyder or the F150.

[nickfrog]

Absolutely. Unlike other Companies who invest in marketing to pretend that form follows function for their blinged up tat, McL are genuinely happy to compromise the cosmetic side of things if it happens to help function. The interior is a case in point. It's totally bare/simple as surely the driver should have nothing to distract him. The interior of Paganis, aesthetically sophisticated as it is, must give you a headache, not that I'd turn down the chance to drive one...

I can't see how they'll struggle to sell such few cars as 375. The sheer fact that it's such a small number guarantees its commercial success.