RE: McLaren P1 pricing and performance
Discussion
ukaskew said:
HighwayStar said:
And if the Ferrari is faster will that alone mean it's better car than the Macca?
If you're playing Top Trumps and/or you are 15 years old, then yes, the car with the highest top speed is clearly better.'Dear Ron, please make your new car more trump friendly..'
Repent said:
A broken record comment in itself but I don't understand why people continue to use financial logic that in any way applies to them when pondering hypercars. Genuinely baffles me.
Cars in the highest echelon of production cars such as the P1 are increasingly going to be sold on particular and finite USP's or ethoses. With automotive technology reaching it's plateau of sorts thanks to the huge increases and leaps forward allowed by modern engine technology, tyre compound/design and so on, manufacturers now strive to innovate/differentiate in more intricate ways. Pagani execute meticulous, exotic engineering and design. Bugatti obviously set the mark with their behemoth of engineering (and financial input) in the Veyron. Hennessey should be applauded in my eyes for producing what appears to be a well put together, well devised ultimate iteration of a LS engined package.
What McLaren have done, at possible cost to aesthetics and to some at considerable cost to luxury/opulence and interior design, is attempt to innovate and drive the use of active aero and electronic drive for the road and create the ultimate performance car. The fact it has electronic motors that can whisk it round town might appeal to some potential buyers, but thats clearly not why they've chosen them, its a useful feature. The electronic motors can perfectly fill in any weaknesses in the range of the V8, aid in its control for breaking, and add additional power for short periods as icing on the cake. With its aero, frankly it looks set to have control over physics in a manner no other road car has by quite some margin.
I'm myself holding judgement on it overall until someone gets behind the wheel, but you cant quantify these cars by mere stats anymore and the P1 looks like its going to be able to do things no other car yet can. To me that's all that should matter.
Good post.Cars in the highest echelon of production cars such as the P1 are increasingly going to be sold on particular and finite USP's or ethoses. With automotive technology reaching it's plateau of sorts thanks to the huge increases and leaps forward allowed by modern engine technology, tyre compound/design and so on, manufacturers now strive to innovate/differentiate in more intricate ways. Pagani execute meticulous, exotic engineering and design. Bugatti obviously set the mark with their behemoth of engineering (and financial input) in the Veyron. Hennessey should be applauded in my eyes for producing what appears to be a well put together, well devised ultimate iteration of a LS engined package.
What McLaren have done, at possible cost to aesthetics and to some at considerable cost to luxury/opulence and interior design, is attempt to innovate and drive the use of active aero and electronic drive for the road and create the ultimate performance car. The fact it has electronic motors that can whisk it round town might appeal to some potential buyers, but thats clearly not why they've chosen them, its a useful feature. The electronic motors can perfectly fill in any weaknesses in the range of the V8, aid in its control for breaking, and add additional power for short periods as icing on the cake. With its aero, frankly it looks set to have control over physics in a manner no other road car has by quite some margin.
I'm myself holding judgement on it overall until someone gets behind the wheel, but you cant quantify these cars by mere stats anymore and the P1 looks like its going to be able to do things no other car yet can. To me that's all that should matter.
Edited by Repent on Wednesday 27th February 14:21
enroz said:
ukaskew said:
HighwayStar said:
And if the Ferrari is faster will that alone mean it's better car than the Macca?
If you're playing Top Trumps and/or you are 15 years old, then yes, the car with the highest top speed is clearly better.'Dear Ron, please make your new car more trump friendly..'
cidered77 said:
could you imagine an italian enthusiasts forum coming back with anything other than universal support and praise for the F70? Here though we have an amazing british company, developing world class sports and supercars at decent volumes almost from nothing, doing it incredibly well, and lots of brits queuing up to say how ugly/pointless/slow is it.
Think it's an amazing achievement from an amazing company. It'll be quicker around any track than the Ferarri, which is what they set out to do. Laying a fiver on that now!*
It's the British way... No enthusiasm, support or encouragement. It seems people find it easier to criticise than get behind a British company trying to compete and go it's own way innovating. Think it's an amazing achievement from an amazing company. It'll be quicker around any track than the Ferarri, which is what they set out to do. Laying a fiver on that now!*
- limitedtomaximum10takersincaseigetbankrupted.
The Olympics suffered the same way when it was announced. It's be rubbish, we'll make a mess of it, Britain will be useless at putting on such a big event. Makes me sick.
Macca are in a catch 22 situation. They are slagged off for the McLaren way of doing things, can't complete with Ferrari, not good enough blah blah... If they were more like Ferrari they'd be accused of having no ideas and you might as well just buy a Ferrari.
McLaren will always have a market because they'll always be customers who appreciate what they do and what something a lil different. Same as a lot of BMW & Merc drivers wouldn't buy an Audi etc.. Doesn't stop Audi finding many customers. Way bigger scale but McLaren will have their customers who appreciate what they do.
007 VXR said:
nav p said:
kayzee said:
Best looking car I've ever seen, I think... still annoyed it's LHD only though!
That is a poor ommission for a British company.
It might be a little bit annoying to people who would never have the funds to buy one in the UK anyway - I don't care. It's a good thing.
Talk about first world problems..
C
CraigyMc said:
007 VXR said:
nav p said:
kayzee said:
Best looking car I've ever seen, I think... still annoyed it's LHD only though!
That is a poor ommission for a British company.It might be a little bit annoying to people who would never have the funds to buy one in the UK anyway - I don't care. It's a good thing.
Talk about first world problems..
C
redroadster said:
Maybe you prefer some tinsel to brighten it up a bit ? not every body wants polished chrome and leather straps and buckles like the pagini,this is made by a proper motorsport firm minimalist less can sometimes be more bit like comparing some cheap porn star to catherine zeta jones..........
Indeed. But you can be fairly sure the cheap porn star knows how to.. cook. And cook very well. 
007 VXR said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
007 VXR said:
nav p said:
kayzee said:
Best looking car I've ever seen, I think... still annoyed it's LHD only though!
That is a poor ommission for a British company.Blown2CV said:
007 VXR said:
Paddy_N_Murphy said:
007 VXR said:
nav p said:
kayzee said:
Best looking car I've ever seen, I think... still annoyed it's LHD only though!
That is a poor ommission for a British company.Having the steering wheel on the wrong side is not that big of a deal.
k. Yes. This car is right up there on the wish list.braddo said:
Repent said:
A broken record comment in itself but I don't understand why people continue to use financial logic that in any way applies to them when pondering hypercars. Genuinely baffles me.
Cars in the highest echelon of production cars such as the P1 are increasingly going to be sold on particular and finite USP's or ethoses. With automotive technology reaching it's plateau of sorts thanks to the huge increases and leaps forward allowed by modern engine technology, tyre compound/design and so on, manufacturers now strive to innovate/differentiate in more intricate ways. Pagani execute meticulous, exotic engineering and design. Bugatti obviously set the mark with their behemoth of engineering (and financial input) in the Veyron. Hennessey should be applauded in my eyes for producing what appears to be a well put together, well devised ultimate iteration of a LS engined package.
What McLaren have done, at possible cost to aesthetics and to some at considerable cost to luxury/opulence and interior design, is attempt to innovate and drive the use of active aero and electronic drive for the road and create the ultimate performance car. The fact it has electronic motors that can whisk it round town might appeal to some potential buyers, but thats clearly not why they've chosen them, its a useful feature. The electronic motors can perfectly fill in any weaknesses in the range of the V8, aid in its control for breaking, and add additional power for short periods as icing on the cake. With its aero, frankly it looks set to have control over physics in a manner no other road car has by quite some margin.
I'm myself holding judgement on it overall until someone gets behind the wheel, but you cant quantify these cars by mere stats anymore and the P1 looks like its going to be able to do things no other car yet can. To me that's all that should matter.
Good post.Cars in the highest echelon of production cars such as the P1 are increasingly going to be sold on particular and finite USP's or ethoses. With automotive technology reaching it's plateau of sorts thanks to the huge increases and leaps forward allowed by modern engine technology, tyre compound/design and so on, manufacturers now strive to innovate/differentiate in more intricate ways. Pagani execute meticulous, exotic engineering and design. Bugatti obviously set the mark with their behemoth of engineering (and financial input) in the Veyron. Hennessey should be applauded in my eyes for producing what appears to be a well put together, well devised ultimate iteration of a LS engined package.
What McLaren have done, at possible cost to aesthetics and to some at considerable cost to luxury/opulence and interior design, is attempt to innovate and drive the use of active aero and electronic drive for the road and create the ultimate performance car. The fact it has electronic motors that can whisk it round town might appeal to some potential buyers, but thats clearly not why they've chosen them, its a useful feature. The electronic motors can perfectly fill in any weaknesses in the range of the V8, aid in its control for breaking, and add additional power for short periods as icing on the cake. With its aero, frankly it looks set to have control over physics in a manner no other road car has by quite some margin.
I'm myself holding judgement on it overall until someone gets behind the wheel, but you cant quantify these cars by mere stats anymore and the P1 looks like its going to be able to do things no other car yet can. To me that's all that should matter.
Edited by Repent on Wednesday 27th February 14:21
Still think it'll be a forgotten car in 5 yrs time though. It needs a headline and all it's got is down force which I'm not sure will cut it. Mind you, who had heard of "drag coefficient" outside of petrol heads until Audi marketed it on their 100 model back in the eighties.
Maybe in twenty years time small boys won't be saying "what's it top speed mister ?" but 'how much down force does it create at the ton mate ?"
HighwayStar said:
nickfrog said:
Bedazzled said:
caine100 said:
Having the steering wheel on the wrong side is not that big of a deal.
Not ideal for most UK tracksEdited by nickfrog on Thursday 28th February 10:56
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