RE: McLaren P1 pricing and performance

[007 VXR]

Evo said:

What they need to do is take it racing.

And this will help, How?
Also its not in production yet

[nickfrog]

Apologies, I didn't see your answer. Cheers, makes sense.

[Evo]

007 VXR said:

Evo said:

What they need to do is take it racing.

And this will help, How?
Also its not in production yet

Let me think 250 GTO, successful race car, E Type, successful race car, GT40 successful racer, McLaren F1 oo successful race car

When it is out it needs some heritage so get it on track McLaren. I agree, not sure what class it could fit into, is their nothing LM it could do better than the 12C, have three of those next to my office as well, view out my window is interesting most days of the week

[Blown2CV]

GroundEffect said:

Evo said:

What they need to do is take it racing.

I can't think of any classes it'd be suitable for, any more than the 12C is.

i'm a bit of a racing ignoramus... why's it not suitable? Is it cos of KERS or something else?

[braddo]

Bedazzled said:

nickfrog said:

Genuine question.

I answered on the previous page, or was the answer not satisfactory? Think about weight transfer and traction, as well as visibility. Every little helps.

Except doesn't extra weight on the outside of the car aid lateral grip (I've read that in karting it is better to lean outwards in corners)?

I suspect the side that the driver sits on makes no tangible difference. Perhaps some like the Wookie knows?

[CraigyMc]

braddo said:

Bedazzled said:

nickfrog said:

Genuine question.

I answered on the previous page, or was the answer not satisfactory? Think about weight transfer and traction, as well as visibility. Every little helps.

Except doesn't extra weight on the outside of the car aid lateral grip (I've read that in karting it is better to lean outwards in corners)?

I suspect the side that the driver sits on makes no tangible difference. Perhaps some like the Wookie knows?

Karts are a wee bit different because they have a solid rear axle. If you want a kart to do anything other than understeer, either both back wheels are going to be slipping, or you've leaned out enough that the inside back wheel comes off the ground (made possible by the geometry of the front wheels when lock is applied).

All a bit OT though.

C

[MartiniBianco]

Bedazzled said:

Most are clockwise and ideally you want the driver weight on the inside, and it's easier to see the apex.

I do agree for the clockwise thing (but that's not UK specific, that's the case of 90% of the track on the planet).
I don't about the apex on a right-hand corner.

[HighwayStar]

nickfrog said:

Yes, and I'd like to share your hilarity too. Last time I checked, a good proportion of track cars in the UK were LHD, particularly race cars, and I don't recall it being an issue as most tracks in the UK tend not to allow on-coming traffic. Genuine question.

Edited by nickfrog on Thursday 28th February 10:56

No problem here Nick... I'll hold my hand up, I misread. I wasn't referring to track use... It is supposed to be a road car owners can also take to the track... LHD, sitting low down etc, is going it be a real pain on UK roads and I'm talking no passenger, just driving in general. Doesn't bother me that it's LHD only though.

[cidered77]

Blown2CV said:

GroundEffect said:

Evo said:

What they need to do is take it racing.

I can't think of any classes it'd be suitable for, any more than the 12C is.

i'm a bit of a racing ignoramus... why's it not suitable? Is it cos of KERS or something else?

because there's no class to race it in. GT3 class already has the MP4-12C, and as the cars in that class are performance balanced, there's not much more it would add beyond huge additional cost. The classes beyond that are for specialised prototypes which a: it wouldn't meet regulations for, and b: wouldn't be competitive for.

It'll be known for the quickest ever road car around a track. Not the quickest accelerating, or quickest top speed - just quickest around a track. Or "quickest" as I'd like to think of it!

[Olivera]

cidered77 said:

It'll be known for the quickest ever road car around a track. Not the quickest accelerating, or quickest top speed - just quickest around a track. Or "quickest" as I'd like to think of it!

I guess we'll see in the fullness of time, but I suspect it won't be as quick around any track as a Radical SR8 at 1/10th the price.

[HighwayStar]

Olivera said:

I guess we'll see in the fullness of time, but I suspect it won't be as quick around any track as a Radical SR8 at 1/10th the price.

Maybe not but that's not comparing apples with apples is it. The Radical is built purely to do that thing... What people fail to realise is if McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche etc simply wanted to have a crack at building the lightest, fastest, minimalist car out there... Engine, seats, basic controls etc... They could easily out do a Radical or Venom type car where speed was everything and comfort, day to day usability, docile in traffic etc not considered. They are completing in totally different markets.

[007 VXR]

HighwayStar said:

Olivera said:

I guess we'll see in the fullness of time, but I suspect it won't be as quick around any track as a Radical SR8 at 1/10th the price.

Maybe not but that's not comparing apples with apples is it. The Radical is built purely to do that thing... What people fail to realise is if McLaren, Ferrari, Porsche etc simply wanted to have a crack at building the lightest, fastest, minimalist car out there... Engine, seats, basic controls etc... They could easily out do a Radical or Venom type car where speed was everything and comfort, day to day usability, docile in traffic etc not considered. They are completing in totally different markets.

Good point, F1 car made for the road

[cidered77]

Olivera said:

cidered77 said:

It'll be known for the quickest ever road car around a track. Not the quickest accelerating, or quickest top speed - just quickest around a track. Or "quickest" as I'd like to think of it!

I guess we'll see in the fullness of time, but I suspect it won't be as quick around any track as a Radical SR8 at 1/10th the price.

it's got 900bhp+, 600kg of downforce, a not-ridiculous weight, and the company behind it know they are up against the badge snobbery/"heritage" issue and the key to selling 375 is the bragging rights generated by sensational laptimes. SR8 would be somewhere between GT3 and LMP2 around a reasonable length circuit - I think this thing will beat it.. will be fancinating to see just which class of "real" race car it'll match.