RE: Evoque introduces first nine-speed 'box
Discussion
tigger1 said:
993RSGT3 said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
What is the need for all these gears? It's rocketed up the last few years, when will it end?
Competition with cyclists.C
fatboy b said:
benzpassion said:
Are you/JLR's press people really claiming that the Evoque will be the first vehicle worldwide to use ZF's new 9-speed gearbox?
Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Good grief.Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Edited by benzpassion on Wednesday 27th February 11:53
OK OK, we heard you the first time. Now trot-on, besides, no one cares about Jeep.
Mark Wibble said:
This is the unfortunate truth. My commute isn't remotely enjoyable. There's a turn out from a single-track country lane onto a dual carriageway but that's as fun as it gets. Admittedly some auto boxes are pigs, but having driven a mate's 8-speeder in his 520 it was actually quite a revelation; I wonder how many people's opinions are based on old-tech autos?
This. After years of swearing I would never have an auto, through a series of coincidences I now have two. Not sure I'd ever go back to a manual for a road car...993RSGT3 said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
What is the need for all these gears? It's rocketed up the last few years, when will it end?
Competition with cyclists.C
benzpassion said:
Are you/JLR's press people really claiming that the Evoque will be the first vehicle worldwide to use ZF's new 9-speed gearbox?
Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Amazing, all that guff and your wrong.Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Edited by benzpassion on Wednesday 27th February 11:57
This will be available from now if you order and automatic, not 2014. You kind of guess at when its available but clearly not read this or other articles.
Well there is that and the fact that it doesn't really matter all that much.
nickfrog said:
993RSGT3 said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
What is the need for all these gears? It's rocketed up the last few years, when will it end?
Competition with cyclists.C
rajkohli81 said:
cookie1600 said:
Surely now this is getting daft? Aren't you better off with a well designed, robust CVT type arrangement for this kind of vehicle?
much prefer the 8 spd box in my 640d to the horrible, groany CVT in my RX.. I find CVTs just irritating and unnatural to driveWith so many gears, when accelerating upto higher speeds say 70mph how much time is lost due to 7 or 8 gear changes as opposed to 3 or 4 from a 6 speeder or from 2 changes from a manual(ok probably 3 or 4 from a manual)
yes it may be seamless but surely as the box changes gear losing power and no forward thrust this must have an effect on sprint times and real world driving!
yes it may be seamless but surely as the box changes gear losing power and no forward thrust this must have an effect on sprint times and real world driving!
tigger1 said:
993RSGT3 said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
What is the need for all these gears? It's rocketed up the last few years, when will it end?
Competition with cyclists.C
cookie1600 said:
Surely now this is getting daft? Aren't you better off with a well designed, robust CVT type arrangement for this kind of vehicle?
You'd always be better off with a well designed, robust CVT, but sadly they don't appear to exist just yet. All practical CVT's have problems that limit their use e.g. low torque limits, poor efficiency, reliability, vibration etc.
TheRoadWarrior said:
evoque said:
More gears, it says, mean smaller steps between the ratios
Seriously?! Wow. Every day is a school day...
993RSGT3 said:
tigger1 said:
993RSGT3 said:
CraigyMc said:
Bear Phils said:
What is the need for all these gears? It's rocketed up the last few years, when will it end?
Competition with cyclists.C
Although it's quite possible to get 3x8, 3x9 hybrids...
Scrof said:
benzpassion said:
Are you/JLR's press people really claiming that the Evoque will be the first vehicle worldwide to use ZF's new 9-speed gearbox?
Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
Oh dear... rise above it and don't get involved. That's my advice.
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Actually, there's been no official confirmation yet on when or whether the Cherokee will get the nine-speed. Not saying it won't, but it hasn't been announced (see within the article to which you link, "No word yet on powertrain or pricing"). The only car that has been confirmed (officially) as having the 9HP is the Evoque. I would consider that to make it the car that is debuting the gearbox - which is what the article actually states, contrary to your assertion that it claims the Evoque will be the first vehicle to use the gearbox. Have you/they not heard of the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee?
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/02/22/2014-jeep-chero...
Do you not know that Chrysler/Jeep/Fiat Group have been working with ZF too, on the first usage of ZF's new 9-speed for FWD/All-wheel drive installation?
Did you know that as well as the 2014MY Jeep Cherokee the 2013 Dodge Dart is slated to get the new ZF 9-speeder later this year too?
If you do know that, and know that the new Jeep Cherokee is expected to hit US showrooms in the Fall of this year, and that Land Rover will not get the 9-speed-fitted Evoque into showrooms until early to mid 2014 at the earliest, and that their claim to be the 'First' rests solely only on them showing a supposed 9-speed Evoque prototype at Geneva next week, why are you even deigning to run this ridiculous story?
Oh dear... rise above it and don't get involved. That's my advice.
To put it clearly, Jeep are/will be the 'First'.
Land Rover are doing their usual spoiler operation schtick, deceiving the gullible, abetted by compliant hacks.
Edited by benzpassion on Wednesday 27th February 11:57
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