RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Porsche

RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Porsche

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Charlie Michael

2,750 posts

185 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Dagnut said:
Charlie Michael said:
PDK - I'm OK with that, this car is designed for track and so PDK makes perfect sense.
Is it? pretty sure it's a road car
Well to all intents and purposes, it is a track-aimed car. I'd hazard a guess that the GT3 will be more likely to be on track than a Carrera S.

So they need to differentiate with the gearbox settings and the throttle/steering response and the suspension settings to be more track focused.

PDK is another extension of that idea. Cup racers are sequential, not manual.

Of course a lot of owners won't take their car out to track, but for those that do, the car will need to be closer to a cup racer than a Carrera S.

The RS version will be something else I reckon. smile

CraigyMc

16,451 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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PunterCam said:
If there was any doubt the 4.0l RS wasn't a future collectors car, it's gone now. Even the standard 3.8's might start levelling out...

These auto's - they just do nothing for me. IF I was in the position to buy a 911, I wouldn't buy this car. It's just so pointless, so irrelevant. It's not an every day car, so why on earth would you have an auto?? Lap times? It's not a racing car! Even if one was to call a STANDARD GT3 a track car (and in reality it was always just the ultimate road n/a 911 imo), I'd still have to ask why? Track days are for fun, you're not racing?!

People should be very careful with their 'effin praise of these stupid gearboxes - the manual will soon be gone, and that'll be that. All in the name of dick waving, as far as I can work out.
I quite agree with this but at the same time I'm wondering: if there was such a thing as a web-based car forum when automobiles started to move from manual ignition control to mechanised, were there people saying things like "but I like being able to control the timing on the move!" - or suchlike?

Did people rebel against synchromesh mechanisms? Against automatic chokes?

I personally like changing gears - I think it's part of the fun of driving (an automatic gearbox to me is more like operating a whitegood - I include PDK in that).

I'm afraid I'm one of the dinosaurs.

C

Andy ap

1,147 posts

173 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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I really dont like Porsches, but i have to say that is actually a handsome car especially from the rear. The front overhang is too big though thought this was rear engined?

C36 Nico

753 posts

138 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Charlie Michael said:
Dagnut said:
Charlie Michael said:
PDK - I'm OK with that, this car is designed for track and so PDK makes perfect sense.
Is it? pretty sure it's a road car
Well to all intents and purposes, it is a track-aimed car. I'd hazard a guess that the GT3 will be more likely to be on track than a Carrera S.

So they need to differentiate with the gearbox settings and the throttle/steering response and the suspension settings to be more track focused.

PDK is another extension of that idea. Cup racers are sequential, not manual.

Of course a lot of owners won't take their car out to track, but for those that do, the car will need to be closer to a cup racer than a Carrera S.

The RS version will be something else I reckon. smile
Its a track car the same way a BMW X5 or a Mercedes ML is a terrain vehicle wink

MrTickle

1,825 posts

240 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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That's the first 991 that would tempt me out of my 997GTS....

Now to put my numbers on for tomorrow smile

LuS1fer

41,153 posts

246 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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I lament the passing of the character in the incompetent 911s of the 70s. This is all very modern and very sci-fi but is it really what we want?

leon90210

17 posts

154 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Be interesting to see if the new RS has a manual option, if not the previous 4.0RS will remain the Porsche of choice for the purist.
Think this has a 4.5 Star rating without even needing to read a road test.
Even the Boxster is beginning to push its big bro out of the limelight - Shame.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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LuS1fer said:
I lament the passing of the character in the incompetent 911s of the 70s. This is all very modern and very sci-fi but is it really what we want?
Quite easy to replicate with a modern 911, just knock the tracking out.

Justmi

8 posts

134 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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I drove a 458 Italia for a few days and it was a delight. At no point did I pine for a manual, the character of the car suits the box just fine. I suspect here it will be the same, no better or worse than the last generation but a different driving experience. To the traditionalists, get a second hand 997GT3 and treasure it forever, but lets try out the new car before dismissing it.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

250 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Justmi said:
lets try out the new car before dismissing it.
this is PH, logic goes out of the window as soon as you log in

CraigyMc

16,451 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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sleep envy said:
LuS1fer said:
I lament the passing of the character in the incompetent 911s of the 70s. This is all very modern and very sci-fi but is it really what we want?
Quite easy to replicate with a modern 911, just knock the tracking out.
Don't even need to do that. Just fit it with linglongs.

C

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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CraigyMc said:
Don't even need to do that. Just fit it with linglongs.

C
With different tyre pressures at each corner.

CraigyMc

16,451 posts

237 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Mermaid said:
CraigyMc said:
Don't even need to do that. Just fit it with linglongs.

C
With different tyre pressures at each corner.
yes

Davey S2

13,097 posts

255 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Dagnut said:
The question is why are they not offering a simpler version?
Because no one would buy the more expensive more complicated version!

Dagnut

3,515 posts

194 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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CraigyMc said:
I quite agree with this but at the same time I'm wondering: if there was such a thing as a web-based car forum when automobiles started to move from manual ignition control to mechanised, were there people saying things like "but I like being able to control the timing on the move!" - or suchlike?

Did people rebel against synchromesh mechanisms? Against automatic chokes?

I personally like changing gears - I think it's part of the fun of driving (an automatic gearbox to me is more like operating a whitegood - I include PDK in that).

I'm afraid I'm one of the dinosaurs.

C
It is a valid point but I think PDK/auto boxes actually change the process of driving.
I welcome technology and I don't have any problem with autos it is an evolution in the driving process, but it alters the skill of driving..it detracts from it..using a clutch pedal is a skill.
You can play a top end keyboard and sound as good as a grand piano, but to really play a grand piano you have to know how to use the pedals..

A car like this should be difficult to drive quickly.

snowmuncher

786 posts

164 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Hope it proves more convincing than the last GT3

Mermaid

21,492 posts

172 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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snowmuncher said:
Hope it proves more convincing than the last GT3
Preuninger was convinced about the last one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNv6ayjvElM

SimonOcean

317 posts

154 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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Mermaid said:
SimonOcean said:
Hands up if you are looking forward to the 981 Cayman R?

byebye
Saw the new Cayman in the "flesh" - that package with a 360+ PS engine and lightened a tad would be formidable.
Yes: well that is my point. Let me put it slightly more "pointedly":

Hands up if you are forward to a 981 Cayman R with a manual gearbox? byebye

anonymous-user

55 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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sleep envy said:
LuS1fer said:
I lament the passing of the character in the incompetent 911s of the 70s. This is all very modern and very sci-fi but is it really what we want?
Quite easy to replicate with a modern 911, just knock the tracking out.
haha

wow what a car

soad

32,915 posts

177 months

Tuesday 5th March 2013
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y2blade said:
I like that cool
Me too, me too. smile