RE: Geneva Motor Show 2013: Porsche
Discussion
Andy ap said:
I really dont like Porsches, but i have to say that is actually a handsome car especially from the rear. The front overhang is too big though thought this was rear engined?
It's how you optimise your weight distribution.If you have a rear heavy car you stick on a long nose and move the front wheels as far back as you can.
If you have a front heavy car you stick on a massive boot and move the rear axle as far forward as you can.
Regarding the post asking how many of us manual 'box whiners are actually in a position to buy this car: Many of us who have posted saying we won’t buy one without a manual 'box are in the fortunate position of being potential real buyers.
To those who ask if we manual fans bemoan the loss of crank-starting, ignition timing levers on the steering wheel, carbs, etc: If new tech is always better (or more fun), then when the fully autonomous car is available that is quicker around a track with the computer doing all the driving – no driver needed, then you should applaud that too.
To those who ask if we manual fans bemoan the loss of crank-starting, ignition timing levers on the steering wheel, carbs, etc: If new tech is always better (or more fun), then when the fully autonomous car is available that is quicker around a track with the computer doing all the driving – no driver needed, then you should applaud that too.
am i the only one a little dissappointed by the ring time, i was expecting us to see close to 7:20 with the new GT3 based on the Carrera S being 7:37. Does not seem to be a major difference over the carrera S when you look at the premium and the extra tech.
I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
I understand the business rationale and/or red tape conformity that has lead modern performance cars in the direction they are all heading.
Nonetheless I find myself decreasingly interested in them and increasingly interested in fettled classics. Like a Afla GTA recreation. Or a Singer. Or the perennial classic Caterham 7. These, for me, are the sweet-spot.
But it is all a matter of personal preference.
Nonetheless I find myself decreasingly interested in them and increasingly interested in fettled classics. Like a Afla GTA recreation. Or a Singer. Or the perennial classic Caterham 7. These, for me, are the sweet-spot.
But it is all a matter of personal preference.
Antj said:
am i the only one a little dissappointed by the ring time, i was expecting us to see close to 7:20 with the new GT3 based on the Carrera S being 7:37. Does not seem to be a major difference over the carrera S when you look at the premium and the extra tech.
I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
It's the rings fault, or more specifically the GTRs ring time, that is loading our cars with tech. I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
I am interested in why 10 seconds faster would make it a better car.
mollytherocker said:
Antj said:
am i the only one a little dissappointed by the ring time, i was expecting us to see close to 7:20 with the new GT3 based on the Carrera S being 7:37. Does not seem to be a major difference over the carrera S when you look at the premium and the extra tech.
I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
It's the rings fault, or more specifically the GTRs ring time, that is loading our cars with tech. I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
I am interested in why 10 seconds faster would make it a better car.
The main technology that's been making cars get quicker round the ring is advances in grip from modern tyres.
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mollytherocker said:
Antj said:
am i the only one a little dissappointed by the ring time, i was expecting us to see close to 7:20 with the new GT3 based on the Carrera S being 7:37. Does not seem to be a major difference over the carrera S when you look at the premium and the extra tech.
I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
It's the rings fault, or more specifically the GTRs ring time, that is loading our cars with tech. I assume the 991 GT3 RS will be the one to really watch.
still like it though
I am interested in why 10 seconds faster would make it a better car.
The lack of a manual is shame, but I think it could come later, in a RS+ version of sorts. I'd expect it would carry a hefty price premium, and no doubt a bit of clever marketing from Porsche to downplay it not being as quick as the car we looking at today. "The ultimate analogue driving experience", which in truth is what the PH demographic wants, but we only represent a minority mindset.
PDK or not, these will fly out of the showrooms. Anyway, enough with the bad, on the good side, that engine must be a real gem. To get reliability, 470bhp or so from a 3.8L engine and a 9000rpm redline must have taken some doing. I bet it's a joy to use, I love cars where the power is at the top of the range, rather than the bottom, so you get real satisfaction from holding onto a gear and watching the needle scream around the dial.
PDK or not, these will fly out of the showrooms. Anyway, enough with the bad, on the good side, that engine must be a real gem. To get reliability, 470bhp or so from a 3.8L engine and a 9000rpm redline must have taken some doing. I bet it's a joy to use, I love cars where the power is at the top of the range, rather than the bottom, so you get real satisfaction from holding onto a gear and watching the needle scream around the dial.
Mastodon2 said:
The lack of a manual is shame, but I think it could come later, in a RS+ version of sorts. I'd expect it would carry a hefty price premium, and no doubt a bit of clever marketing from Porsche to downplay it not being as quick as the car we looking at today. "The ultimate analogue driving experience", which in truth is what the PH demographic wants, but we only represent a minority mindset.
You think they'd sell an RS which is slower than a GT3?Can't see it myself, no that stats mean much to me but to others it's their holy grail.
Speedraser said:
To those who ask if we manual fans bemoan the loss of crank-starting, ignition timing levers on the steering wheel, carbs, etc: If new tech is always better (or more fun), then when the fully autonomous car is available that is quicker around a track with the computer doing all the driving – no driver needed, then you should applaud that too.
Well put. At some point the extra tech detracts rather than adds to the driving experience. Sequential gearboxes are borderline. I enjoy heal and toeing whilst piling into a corner. Its rewarding to get it right.One day I guess, when all cars are autonomous, a few of us will still buy low-volume specials devoid of computer-assisted enhancements. We won't be allowed to drive them on the public road though!
125 HP/PL from a NA flat 6 3.8 - fantastic work.
It's a touch heavier that I would have expected (well, 100KG more):
Unladen weight (DIN): 1,430 kg
...but then again this is no longer a small sports car.
The new Cayman S would be enough fun for me. But what am I saying? I'm supposed to dislike Porsches!
It's a touch heavier that I would have expected (well, 100KG more):
Unladen weight (DIN): 1,430 kg
...but then again this is no longer a small sports car.
The new Cayman S would be enough fun for me. But what am I saying? I'm supposed to dislike Porsches!
Mastodon2 said:
The lack of a manual is shame, but I think it could come later, in a RS+ version of sorts. I'd expect it would carry a hefty price premium, and no doubt a bit of clever marketing from Porsche to downplay it not being as quick as the car we looking at today. "The ultimate analogue driving experience", which in truth is what the PH demographic wants, but we only represent a minority mindset.
PDK or not, these will fly out of the showrooms. Anyway, enough with the bad, on the good side, that engine must be a real gem. To get reliability, 470bhp or so from a 3.8L engine and a 9000rpm redline must have taken some doing. I bet it's a joy to use, I love cars where the power is at the top of the range, rather than the bottom, so you get real satisfaction from holding onto a gear and watching the needle scream around the dial.
Agreed. But usually people who prefer pdk also prefer lazy bottom end torque. Will there be enough for them? So many comments on ph about 'not having to rev the nuts off it'. Where we see that as a positive I'm constantly amazed by the petrolheads that see it as a negative.PDK or not, these will fly out of the showrooms. Anyway, enough with the bad, on the good side, that engine must be a real gem. To get reliability, 470bhp or so from a 3.8L engine and a 9000rpm redline must have taken some doing. I bet it's a joy to use, I love cars where the power is at the top of the range, rather than the bottom, so you get real satisfaction from holding onto a gear and watching the needle scream around the dial.
I have no interest in owning a porsche of any kind but I can say it's one of the better looking cars at the show, even if it is exactly what we were all expecting. The latest 'hypercars' are hideous. Ferrari is the best looking by a huge margin.
Dagnut said:
How does 4WS work with oversteer?
AFAIK it's only been used on FWD and AWD cars before? A lot of jiggery pokery for the computers to do if you are catching a slide at 31mph
Computers are easily fast enough to deal with a slide. Massively faster than a human! What it will do during a slide though I dont know, I guess we will find out.AFAIK it's only been used on FWD and AWD cars before? A lot of jiggery pokery for the computers to do if you are catching a slide at 31mph
I would imagine it has 3 choices;
Return to straight ahead and leave it to the driver
work to cancel out the slide
Assist the driver in holding the slide!
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