Rear fog light and hogging middle lane!!

[gradeA]

yellowjack said:

Lots of sensible stuff.

Completely agree with everything said. Having just spent the last four weeks trawling up and down the motorways from Surrey to Preston, the general standard of motorway driving is utterly appalling - lane discipline being the worst.

007 VXR, genuine question: have you spent much/any time driving on motorways in Europe at all? Adherence to correct lane discipline is much more prevalent over there, and it makes for a much faster and more pleasurable experience.

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g3org3y said:

vixen1700 said:

I'd say prime-time TV education, constant radio talk about it, sub-liminal advertising over a 3 month period, then summary execution of offenders if they continue on their MLMness.

Firm but fair.

Otherwise use the motorway matrix signs for something useful.

Default setting should say "stay left unless overtaking".

I don't see the problem in that.

Last week I saw "pick up your litter, other people do". What kind of phrase is that? What's wrong with "please do not litter" or words to that effect. Are we being accused of guilt by default now?

It's to combat the imbeciles in this world that do things which are objectionable, and when challenged about it say '...well other people do it!' As if it is some kind of justification.

Incidentally, this morning was van/Transit tipper pratt day.

2 Transit tippets and 2 large vans at seperate times just sat in the outside lane at 65-70mph just not moving over. Until the streams of people passing on the inside got the message across to move over.

Trouble was, they then pulled out to overtake something, and then didn't pull back in again.

[007 VXR]

gradeA said:

007 VXR, genuine question: have you spent much/any time driving on motorways in Europe at all? Adherence to correct lane discipline is much more prevalent over there, and it makes for a much faster and more pleasurable experience.

no, But did go to Le Mans last year. Dont recall things being much diffrent,
but i did say iirc on page1 i just get on and drive past the MLM, only time i would sit in lane 2
is if its raining (fat rear tyres) which dont like standing water in lane 1 and 3
My point was , i cant see why its a big issue for some.
i.e. a fog light is going to blind me and make me crash ? WTH, lifes to short.. IMHO

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vixen1700 said:

I'd say prime-time TV education, constant radio talk about it,

This!

Covering everything from how to correctly use a roundabout without being the wrong lane & why you really shouldn't expect people to test how good their brakes are just because you have just enough time to pull out on them rather than waiting for a proper space in the traffic, to - the reason why you were the victim of a road rage event, or the recipent of a coffeee bean handshake.

[gradeA]

007 VXR said:

gradeA said:

007 VXR, genuine question: have you spent much/any time driving on motorways in Europe at all? Adherence to correct lane discipline is much more prevalent over there, and it makes for a much faster and more pleasurable experience.

no, But did go to Le Mans last year. Dont recall things being much diffrent,
but i did say iirc on page1 i just get on and drive past the MLM, only time i would sit in lane 2
is if its raining (fat rear tyres) which dont like standing water in lane 1 and 3
My point was , i cant see why its a big issue for some.
i.e. a fog light is going to blind me and make me crash ? WTH, lifes to short.. IMHO

The issue comes when you have very light interspersed traffic in L1, MLMs in L2 going only marginally faster than L1 who absolutely refuse to move over, and a queue of traffic in L3 all trying to overtake L2. If those in L2 would observe correct lane discipline then there would be two lanes for people wishing to overtake them, not one. In addition, if those in L3 wouldn't queue for miles just to get past one or two cars in L2 but rather only pull out to overtake when approaching the overtakee, then this would also help alleviate the problem.

Having driven in Germany and Austria, they stick to this and as a result everything flows much better and smoother. I appreciate that this does actually require drivers to be focused on the task at hand, use their mirrors/indicators, and generally have an awareness of what's happening around them though. Something that appears to be a bit much to ask of people over here sadly...

Oh, and in addition to this - if you wish to drive in L2 to avoid a poor-quality road surface in L1 (which is fair enough) and a faster vehicle is approaching from behind in L1, common courtesy is to pull into L1 to allow them to pull into L2 to overtake, then return to L2 yourself.

Edited by gradeA on Friday 8th March 15:13

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RizzoTheRat said:

it usualy meant passing hundreds of cars who were sat in lanes 2 and 3 while I sailed through in the nearly empty lane 1.

Yup!

Did this when I had to make my way up from London to Sheffield for my graduation. Just sat in L1 making decent progress while everyone sat in a queue in L3 due to MLMs. It made the journey so much less stressful and infact, made it cheaper as I wasn't mashing the throttle/brake like everyone else does

[vixen1700]

gradeA said:

I appreciate that this does actually require drivers to be focused on the task at hand, use their mirrors/indicators, and generally have an awareness of what's happening around them though. Something that appears to be a bit much to ask of people over here sadly...

There's the problem, people. Stupid people.

[GokTweed]

There's no way james bond would drive a vauxhall.... just saying.

[vixen1700]

[007 VXR]

GokTweed said:

There's no way james bond would drive a vauxhall.... just saying.

The Aston was to slow