RE: Lambo in a spot of bother? Tell Me I'm Wrong
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Bit of a stretch to claim the Gallardo is a contemporary of the 360. The 430 arrived a year later than it and still wasn't as quick or powerful.
Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
Edited by Dagnut on Monday 11th March 15:45
vincegail said:
rgw2012 said:
Why is there such consternation about a Gallardo replacement? Porsche have got away with the "just replacing the front bumper" type approach on the 911 for decades 
Lamborghini has tried that with the updated Gallardo and failed miserably. What an ugly car it has become.
To my eye, the Gallardo still looks fresh although looks are indeed subjective. However, I do agree that a replacement is needed. Ferrari completely re-wrote the rule book with the 458 in terms of what we expect from a 'junior supercar', and the arrival of the MP4 didn't help matters either. Add to this the fact that the Gallardo is undercut somewhat by the R8 (albeit with less drama and flamboyance), and the need for a completely new mini Lamborghini becomes apparent.
However, the success of the Aventador speaks volumes. Lamborghini will replace the Gallardo in time, and I have no doubt that it will be a major player within its market.
However, the success of the Aventador speaks volumes. Lamborghini will replace the Gallardo in time, and I have no doubt that it will be a major player within its market.
Dagnut said:
Bit of a stretch to claim the Gallardo is a contemporary of the 360. The 430 arrived a year later than it and still wasn't as quick or powerful.
Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
Harris has a bug up his arse for Lambo. Saw it in the video, read it in this article.Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
Edited by Dagnut on Monday 11th March 15:45
The only reason Lambo didn't 'win' at Geneva, imo, is because they are only going to make 3 of the Venenos. Otherwise, I thought it was the clear winner in the looks department. A case can be made for any of the three, however. I get that.
Dagnut said:
Bit of a stretch to claim the Gallardo is a contemporary of the 360. The 430 arrived a year later than it and still wasn't as quick or powerful.
Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
The Gallardo isn't even on the same chapter as the 458. Sorry to say it, but it's the truth.Be fair to the Gallardo, it got revised in 08 and is still not to far behind it's rivals
..and your forgetting how good the Aventador is...it only arrived 2 years ago
Edited by Dagnut on Monday 11th March 15:45
BrightonEd said:
Dr Z said:
F-Stop Junkie said:
On a point of semantics, macro is the opposite of micro. So a if the LFA was a micro-volume car for Toyota, then the Yaris is a macro-volume car.
^ 
I thought that when I read it but ignored it. Back to the Lambo, I'd love JLOC to convince them to make a Veneno Competizione, roll it out at Le Mans and do their customary few dozen laps. I think it'd look both stunning, and give the model some credibility.
Henry Fiddleton said:
Lambo's biggest problem is Pagani.
You want niche, and outrageous- it used to be Lambo.
Daily- Porsche
Fast and flamboyant- Ferrari
Over the top- Pagani.
HF
You can't compare Pagani to Lamborghini. Pagani are a small volume company who manufacture a tiny percentage of cars compared to Lamborghini. You want niche, and outrageous- it used to be Lambo.
Daily- Porsche
Fast and flamboyant- Ferrari
Over the top- Pagani.
HF
'Over the top', perhaps, but not a direct rival to Lamborghini in my opinion.
"These small volume projects will be increasingly important in this segment, but in the time we've had the Sesto Elemento, the Aventador J and now the Venereal,.."
Doesn't the 21-off Reventon fit into this category as well? Funnily enough it now looks quite plain compared to what has come in the 5 years since.
Doesn't the 21-off Reventon fit into this category as well? Funnily enough it now looks quite plain compared to what has come in the 5 years since.
F-Stop Junkie said:
BrightonEd said:
Dr Z said:
F-Stop Junkie said:
On a point of semantics, macro is the opposite of micro. So a if the LFA was a micro-volume car for Toyota, then the Yaris is a macro-volume car.
^ I thought that when I read it but ignored it. Beats me this one.
Birth of a new term, methinks.
Chris, clear this one up for us!Dr Z said:
F-Stop Junkie said:
BrightonEd said:
Dr Z said:
F-Stop Junkie said:
On a point of semantics, macro is the opposite of micro. So a if the LFA was a micro-volume car for Toyota, then the Yaris is a macro-volume car.
^ I thought that when I read it but ignored it. Beats me this one.
Birth of a new term, methinks.
Chris, clear this one up for us!We all knew what he meant so lets not waste space debating it here please!
I did not get why the R8 update got the double clutch and the Lambo update kept the e-gear, but I assumed it was so Lambo could focus on their new Gallardo which would leap ahead as a game changer. I always thought there was a Gallardo replacement due in the wings, hinted at by the Sesto Elemento. If there is no successor, then we should be worried.
Well you have to look at the History of Lamborghini to see that they have the ability to screw things up. They had the Miura, they sold twice as many Espadas as Miuras and they were the price of 4 corvettes back in the day. They had the Countach come after the oil crisis to catapult their image. Yet with all that they still went bankrupt.
The problem I see with Lamborghini is that they see themselves as Porsche did 20 yrs ago. They have the car that is defining them the Countach being the 911. They think they should be making bigger and faster versions of that and nothing else. It takes someone brave to suggest that they make something else.
The problem I see with Lamborghini is that they see themselves as Porsche did 20 yrs ago. They have the car that is defining them the Countach being the 911. They think they should be making bigger and faster versions of that and nothing else. It takes someone brave to suggest that they make something else.
Now, the Gallardo looked perfect from the outset.
That new Lambo may or may not drive well, but it is abominably styled. The Revolton gave us a hint of this horror to come in retrospect. The sort of thing an 8 year old lad might like. Can't say I particularly like the Aventador either.
So, aesthetically speaking, Chris is right.
That new Lambo may or may not drive well, but it is abominably styled. The Revolton gave us a hint of this horror to come in retrospect. The sort of thing an 8 year old lad might like. Can't say I particularly like the Aventador either.
So, aesthetically speaking, Chris is right.
Edited by aelord on Monday 11th March 18:54
Edited by aelord on Monday 11th March 18:55
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