RE: New BMW 1 M Coupe planned
Discussion
mlhj83 said:
I guess it doesn't really matter, most regular buyers don't and even if the suspension was really really good, all that matters to majority of buyers is that the car looks good, has a good badge, relatively well built, relatively practical, handles well in everyday situation, is comfortable enough and goes sufficiently fast with minimal effort. They wouldn't bother whether there is balance, being able to steer with the throttle or whether the car is adjustable at the limit.
I guess so. I don't really have a feeling for what proportion of M3s are bought to be driven and what proportion predominantly for the image. I don't think I know anyone who's bought one brand new. Certainly a good proportion of second-hand buyers seem to buy them for how they drive. kambites said:
mlhj83 said:
I guess it doesn't really matter, most regular buyers don't and even if the suspension was really really good, all that matters to majority of buyers is that the car looks good, has a good badge, relatively well built, relatively practical, handles well in everyday situation, is comfortable enough and goes sufficiently fast with minimal effort. They wouldn't bother whether there is balance, being able to steer with the throttle or whether the car is adjustable at the limit.
I guess so. I don't really have a feeling for what proportion of M3s are bought to be driven and what proportion predominantly for the image. I don't think I know anyone who's bought one brand new. Certainly a good proportion of second-hand buyers seem to buy them for how they drive. 
, I bought my competition pack version new, and only for one reason - to give it a proper spanking .
mlhj83 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
I own one & it's hardly way off the mark, the amount of people who say its just a 3 series with a big engine in it which is exactly what it is, I think mine is awesome in everyway but to the non petrol head it's just a 320d!
It's hardly a bespoke performance car when it's based on a reps 3 series that's a fact you can't get away from.
To be fair, technically speaking, all the current M cars are pretty much bespoke. The current E9X M3 for example is 80% different to a regular 3 series - a marketing figure I know, but if you dwell a bit deeper, you'll see the tremendous amount of engineering that has gone into an M car, especially in the chassis, transmission, electronics, body panels, etc. It does make you wonder how they manage to price the M3 so well compared to a top spec 3 series considering the amount of changes. For example, the M3 suspension (like the spring strut connection to wheel carrier) has been designed to take on considerably more load that would probably cause structural failure in a regular 3 series; or, the front and rear bumper brackets being carbon-kevlar instead of steel; or, EDC that takes data from the steering position and 3 accelerometers to continuously and variably adjust the dampers - comfort, normal, (ZCP) sport, aren't fixed suspension settings, which many think it is. It's hardly a bespoke performance car when it's based on a reps 3 series that's a fact you can't get away from.
If you are interested, have a read of the the official M3's technical training info here, you'd be amazed by the level of detail of engineering (takes a little while to download):
http://www.e90fanatics.com/pdf/BMW-M3-Aftersales-T...
Edited by mlhj83 on Friday 15th March 08:24
Edited by mlhj83 on Friday 15th March 08:25
I will have a good read of that, I did buy a DVD getting inside the new E92 M3 which is a good watch & tiff needell compares it to the RS4, I suppose I said it a little tongue in cheek as I believe most people think its just a fast 3 series & having owned a E90 330d you can tell a difference but only really when you are pushing it. The interior of the M3 is basically the same as standard so it's easy for people to form an opinion, I love mine to bits no doubt but the M3 has changed direction from the E30 which it had to but it's been a massive sales success & a nice halo model.
Thanks very much for the link mlhj83 - I'm reading now 
I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
RobM77 said:
Thanks very much for the link mlhj83 - I'm reading now
I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
Ditto I have just read it too, great info & I didn't realise the gearbox was based on the manual US version of the E60 M5 I thought I was the same as the E46 M3, I like how it makes comparisons with older M3 models & competitors, good stuff I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
cerb4.5lee said:
RobM77 said:
Thanks very much for the link mlhj83 - I'm reading now
I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
Ditto I have just read it too, great info & I didn't realise the gearbox was based on the manual US version of the E60 M5 I thought I was the same as the E46 M3, I like how it makes comparisons with older M3 models & competitors, good stuff I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
The problem is, because the E9X M3 is so comfortable and well insulated for a high performance car, most don't realise just what all the engineering changes for performance really brings, unless one actually pushes it on a challenging road or on a track and switch off all driver aids. But, the benefit of all that comfort is the ability to go ultra long distance touring - I did 1000miles in just over 24 hours twice and absolutely loved it.
Edited by mlhj83 on Friday 15th March 11:59
What the f
k is wrong with someo fo you here on PH, in this rating thing, complete fkery. I cant believe a stty vehicle like the Vel Satis gets a 4.91 average, but proper PH cars like the Fiesta ST gets a rating just above 1 and now this at 3.27???? Its like WTF!!!
This was one of the recent BMW's that I love and i am not a major BMW fan. But have to give this car credit where its due. Much prefered it than that poor excuse for a car with look the new M135i. Hopefully when BMW release the new 1M it would take the limelight away from the M135i
k is wrong with someo fo you here on PH, in this rating thing, complete fkery. I cant believe a stty vehicle like the Vel Satis gets a 4.91 average, but proper PH cars like the Fiesta ST gets a rating just above 1 and now this at 3.27???? Its like WTF!!!This was one of the recent BMW's that I love and i am not a major BMW fan. But have to give this car credit where its due. Much prefered it than that poor excuse for a car with look the new M135i. Hopefully when BMW release the new 1M it would take the limelight away from the M135i
The same thing I was trying to work out. Either it is deliberate Audi/Merc haters or something. Maybe they want more Prius or Fiat Multipla cars and oh yes more diesels for them.
kambites said:
Why are several cars that have had largely positive comments, scoring so low on the meter thingie? The Fiesta ST is the same.
mlhj83 said:
cerb4.5lee said:
RobM77 said:
Thanks very much for the link mlhj83 - I'm reading now
I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
Ditto I have just read it too, great info & I didn't realise the gearbox was based on the manual US version of the E60 M5 I thought I was the same as the E46 M3, I like how it makes comparisons with older M3 models & competitors, good stuff I think for me the rear diff is the most noticeable difference between the M3 and lesser models, for the E46 and E92 cars that I've driven both of. I've not tried either on the track though, where I'm sure the differences would seem more apparent. On the road, the mass distribution and other obvious things tend to dominate, and they're pretty much the same across the range right down to the 318d.
The problem is, because the E9X M3 is so comfortable and well insulated for a high performance car, most don't realise just what all the engineering changes for performance really brings, unless one actually pushes it on a challenging road or on a track and switch off all driver aids. But, the benefit of all that comfort is the ability to go ultra long distance touring - I did 1000miles in just over 24 hours twice and absolutely loved it.
Edited by mlhj83 on Friday 15th March 11:59
Do u have the E46 M3 link by any chance ?
Also why has your brake fluid been changed so often have u done track days ?
161BMW said:
Thanks for the link I love it.
Do u have the E46 M3 link by any chance ?
Also why has your brake fluid been changed so often have u done track days ?
No problem. Do u have the E46 M3 link by any chance ?
Also why has your brake fluid been changed so often have u done track days ?
Apologies, I haven't found one for the E46 M3 online. You might have to ask BMW nicely
.This is the reason for all that fluid changes
:http://www.youtube.com/user/mlhj83/videos?flow=gri...
s m said:
Amirhussain said:
E30 M3 was based on a 3 series too..
.....and when they came out everyone moaned that it was only lhd....... and had a rough sounding 4-pot engine instead of a smooth 6-cylinder ....and the looks were too boy-racerish compared to the more subtle 325i......etc etc etcBasically, you can't please everyone all the time
Amirhussain said:
s m said:
Amirhussain said:
E30 M3 was based on a 3 series too..
.....and when they came out everyone moaned that it was only lhd....... and had a rough sounding 4-pot engine instead of a smooth 6-cylinder ....and the looks were too boy-racerish compared to the more subtle 325i......etc etc etcBasically, you can't please everyone all the time
s m said:
Amirhussain said:
s m said:
Amirhussain said:
E30 M3 was based on a 3 series too..
.....and when they came out everyone moaned that it was only lhd....... and had a rough sounding 4-pot engine instead of a smooth 6-cylinder ....and the looks were too boy-racerish compared to the more subtle 325i......etc etc etcBasically, you can't please everyone all the time
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