RE: New BMW 1 M Coupe planned

[RobM77]

nice driving gloves!

Seriously though, the E92 M3 is the best proper four seater I've ever driven. Fantastic car. One of the things I love is the engine though (same figures as a Lotus 49's DFV!) and I can't help but wonder if the new turbocharged models will drive as well. Enjoy yours - this may be the end of an era.

[mlhj83]

RobM77 said:

nice driving gloves!

Seriously though, the E92 M3 is the best proper four seater I've ever driven. Fantastic car. One of the things I love is the engine though (same figures as a Lotus 49's DFV!) and I can't help but wonder if the new turbocharged models will drive as well. Enjoy yours - this may be the end of an era.

Cheers, I certainly am and will enjoy mine! The future is bright I think, high revving forced induction engines are already being used in the McLarens, so 8500rpm and turbos are no longer mutually exclusive on road cars. Only a matter of time for companies like M to bring the cost down. So many new engine technologies are to come too - the NA engine may well make a comeback with individually controlled valves, KERS etc.

Edited by mlhj83 on Thursday 14th March 20:38

[E38Ross]

Debaser said:

161BMW said:

As a used buy a CS makes far more sense

As a used buy a Lamborghini makes far more sense.

Of course as a used buy it makes more sense, buying a NEW 1M wouldn't be a used buy would it.

Cant believe you're comparing new with old. I wonder if you compared the e36 M3 to the E46 when it came out saying it makes more sense.

[Mermaid]

E38Ross said:

Of course as a used buy it makes more sense, buying a NEW 1M wouldn't be a used buy would it.

Cant believe you're comparing new with old. I wonder if you compared the e36 M3 to the E46 when it came out saying it makes more sense.

Why not? All useable cars - E30M3, E36M3, E46M3.

I would buy a low mileage M3 CS manual rather than the current or the yet to be 1M. New becomes old, old becomes classic like your old E21 (not sure if it is still useable though).

[cerb4.5lee]

mlhj83 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

mlhj83 said:

cerb4.5lee said:

my E92 M3 lacks a little bit of low down torque for me

Select a lower gear and all will be well, don't need to rev it hard either .

As it is, around urban roads, up to 4500rpm in 2nd or 3rd (manual/dct) is more than sufficient to make rapid progress. I've travelled with mine, fully loaded with blokes and luggage, from London to halfway up Norway, and I have not found any lack of power for multi-vehicle overtakes, as long as you are in the right gear for your intended amount of acceleration. Obviously, on track, I just let it rip . Not saying more torque isn't nice but M did a good job in making the E9X M3 a well balanced car. It's already hard enough not to break traction with the existing power.

That said, the M2, M3 and M4 are going to be cracking cars.

Edited by mlhj83 on Thursday 14th March 18:55

The M3 is a superb allrounder & it is early days for me but this car puts a massive smile on my face like I could have never imagined the engine is so flexible as you have described & is more than capable of delivering the goods I just sometimes compare the torque to my old cerb unfairly!

The future M cars should be really exciting I can't wait to see what they can do.

Enjoy your car! I certainly enjoy mine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBlN5V5Hf5s

Brill vid! thanks for sharing, you certainly know how to enjoy yourself!

[161BMW]

Mermaid said:

E38Ross said:

Of course as a used buy it makes more sense, buying a NEW 1M wouldn't be a used buy would it.

Cant believe you're comparing new with old. I wonder if you compared the e36 M3 to the E46 when it came out saying it makes more sense.

Why not? All useable cars - E30M3, E36M3, E46M3.

I would buy a low mileage M3 CS manual rather than the current or the yet to be 1M. New becomes old, old becomes classic like your old E21 (not sure if it is still useable though).

I read in Autocar around 2007 and 2008 some buyers cancelled orders of E92 M3s or sold them on quickly to buy late E46 M3 CS.

IMO CS makes more sense whether a NEW or USED 1M Coupe but I am sure a lot of people don't agree with me

Presumably because the E46 was head and shoulders and won all the group tests through out its life hands down unlike the E92 M3 and maybe the 1M Coupe

Mind u there are lots of Porsche fans that prefer the 993 to the 996

[cerb4.5lee]

161BMW said:

I read in Autocar around 2007 and 2008 some buyers cancelled orders of E92 M3s or sold them on quickly to buy late E46 M3 CS.

Presumably because the E46 was head and shoulders and won all the group tests through out its life hands down unlike the E92 M3 and maybe the 1M Coupe

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

The bottom line is if you took any notice of what most say the E30 is the absolute daddy & the rest that came after were mass produced overweight reps cars!! Which is obviously a shame but imo the M3 is an icon whichever model you own.

[E38Ross]

Mermaid said:

E38Ross said:

Of course as a used buy it makes more sense, buying a NEW 1M wouldn't be a used buy would it.

Cant believe you're comparing new with old. I wonder if you compared the e36 M3 to the E46 when it came out saying it makes more sense.

Why not? All useable cars - E30M3, E36M3, E46M3.

I would buy a low mileage M3 CS manual rather than the current or the yet to be 1M. New becomes old, old becomes classic like your old E21 (not sure if it is still useable though).

Why not? Because all manufacturers have to bring out new cars to continue to strive. I'd bet my bottom dollar if the E46 M3 were sold now new for its price (plus inflation) it wouldn't sell many at all because the competition has moved on.

Not just bmw but all manufacturers can't keep making the same car.

The E21 was very useable. I used it as my daily for 3.5 years and did around 30k miles in it. Doesnt mean I wouldn't have preferred something newer in many instances.

[161BMW]

cerb4.5lee said:

161BMW said:

I read in Autocar around 2007 and 2008 some buyers cancelled orders of E92 M3s or sold them on quickly to buy late E46 M3 CS.

Presumably because the E46 was head and shoulders and won all the group tests through out its life hands down unlike the E92 M3 and maybe the 1M Coupe

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

The bottom line is if you took any notice of what most say the E30 is the absolute daddy & the rest that came after were mass produced overweight reps cars!! Which is obviously a shame but imo the M3 is an icon whichever model you own.

Fair point

I think the expectation was too high with E92 in 2007.
Also I agree V8 is technically better. Produces more power and 15kg less mass.
Also yes E30 M3 does seem to get alot of praise especially regarding steering and steering feel which I am in no doubt are amongst the best.

[Mermaid]

cerb4.5lee said:

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

IMO the E46M3 is the most pleasing M engine of recent years. The E92 deserves a lot of respect but needs to be pushed more to excite.

The E46 CSL will be revered far more than any E92 M3 (bar perhaps the low volume GTS, CRT perhaps) and will be spoken off in the same sentence as the E30 M3.

[E38Ross]

161BMW said:

Fair point

I think the expectation was too high with E92 in 2007.
Also I agree V8 is technically better. Produces more power and 15kg less mass.
Also yes E30 M3 does seem to get alot of praise especially regarding steering and steering feel which I am in no doubt are amongst the best.

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

[Mermaid]

E38Ross said:

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

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[161BMW]

E38Ross said:

161BMW said:

Fair point

I think the expectation was too high with E92 in 2007.
Also I agree V8 is technically better. Produces more power and 15kg less mass.
Also yes E30 M3 does seem to get alot of praise especially regarding steering and steering feel which I am in no doubt are amongst the best.

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

Now u are being silly

Because the E46 is the car I always wanted loved aspired to dreamed .... since I left school. Before that was 325i Sport (E30)

[cerb4.5lee]

Mermaid said:

cerb4.5lee said:

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

IMO the E46M3 is the most pleasing M engine of recent years. The E92 deserves a lot of respect but needs to be pushed more to excite.

The E46 CSL will be revered far more than any E92 M3 (bar perhaps the low volume GTS, CRT perhaps) and will be spoken off in the same sentence as the E30 M3.

I agree the CSL gets all the accolades but it falls short for me as it doesn't have a manual gearbox, in fairness I only had the S54 in my Z4M but I just prefer the sound of the V8 but agree the S54 seems more alive at lower revs & nothing comes close to the CSL for sound, Awesome!

[E38Ross]

161BMW said:

E38Ross said:

161BMW said:

Fair point

I think the expectation was too high with E92 in 2007.
Also I agree V8 is technically better. Produces more power and 15kg less mass.
Also yes E30 M3 does seem to get alot of praise especially regarding steering and steering feel which I am in no doubt are amongst the best.

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

Now u are being silly

Because the E46 is the car I always wanted loved aspired to dreamed .... since I left school. Before that was 325i Sport (E30)

I'm being facetious I'll admit, but the point is still the same. When the E46 came out I'm sure there were people like you saying it's overpriced and you'd be better off getting an E36 M3 instead. Well, of nobody bought the E46 then they'd be none for you to say get one instead of an E92 or 1M. Someone had to buy them and it's fantastic they do.

[161BMW]

E38Ross said:

161BMW said:

E38Ross said:

161BMW said:

Fair point

I think the expectation was too high with E92 in 2007.
Also I agree V8 is technically better. Produces more power and 15kg less mass.
Also yes E30 M3 does seem to get alot of praise especially regarding steering and steering feel which I am in no doubt are amongst the best.

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

Now u are being silly

Because the E46 is the car I always wanted loved aspired to dreamed .... since I left school. Before that was 325i Sport (E30)

I'm being facetious I'll admit, but the point is still the same. When the E46 came out I'm sure there were people like you saying it's overpriced and you'd be better off getting an E36 M3 instead. Well, of nobody bought the E46 then they'd be none for you to say get one instead of an E92 or 1M. Someone had to buy them and it's fantastic they do.

There seems to be always someone that that is critical of every brand new car.
I just like the CS and the 325i (E30) because they were the BMWs I most desired when I was growing up.

[4rephill]

Mermaid said:

E38Ross said:

So why buy an E46 when you can have an E30? Or better still, why not get a 2002 turbo or tii. No?

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Get yourselves a Dixi and have the Great Grand Daddy of all the BMW cars!

Rear wheel drive, manual gearbox, no driver aids whatsoever, Bosch shock absorbers and a monster 15hp to scare the opposition!

Choice of body styles: coupé, roadster, tourer or sedan.


Top speed: 75 km/h (45 mph)
Acceleration 8 to 40 km/h (5 to 25 mph): 10 seconds
Fuel consumption: appr. 5.5 L/100 km (51 mpg-imp; 43 mpg-US)

Now that's real BMW motoring!

[Patrick Bateman]

cerb4.5lee said:

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

The bottom line is if you took any notice of what most say the E30 is the absolute daddy & the rest that came after were mass produced overweight reps cars!! Which is obviously a shame but imo the M3 is an icon whichever model you own.

Given how well they've been received, that's way off the mark.

[cerb4.5lee]

Patrick Bateman said:

cerb4.5lee said:

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

The bottom line is if you took any notice of what most say the E30 is the absolute daddy & the rest that came after were mass produced overweight reps cars!! Which is obviously a shame but imo the M3 is an icon whichever model you own.

Given how well they've been received, that's way off the mark.

I own one & it's hardly way off the mark, the amount of people who say its just a 3 series with a big engine in it which is exactly what it is, I think mine is awesome in everyway but to the non petrol head it's just a 320d!

It's hardly a bespoke performance car when it's based on a reps 3 series that's a fact you can't get away from.

[Amirhussain]

cerb4.5lee said:

Patrick Bateman said:

cerb4.5lee said:

There isn't any doubt the E46 is epic & was always top of the tree but the E92 got lukewarm reviews at first but then later everyone realised what a fantastic allrounder it was & the engine is sensational & I think the S65 engine outshines the S54 in almost everyway .

The bottom line is if you took any notice of what most say the E30 is the absolute daddy & the rest that came after were mass produced overweight reps cars!! Which is obviously a shame but imo the M3 is an icon whichever model you own.

Given how well they've been received, that's way off the mark.

I own one & it's hardly way off the mark, the amount of people who say its just a 3 series with a big engine in it which is exactly what it is, I think mine is awesome in everyway but to the non petrol head it's just a 320d!

It's hardly a bespoke performance car when it's based on a reps 3 series that's a fact you can't get away from.

E30 M3 was based on a 3 series too..