SLEEPERS! Anyone have a street sleeper here?

[steveo3002]

sierra is borderline , yeah its nothing to look at but if it went flying past you would just assume its a cossie conversion

he might as well paint it up to look flash or go with steels and a stock look

[spikyone]

p4cks said:

Stick some steelies on it and it would be

And take off the crappy wind deflector. It's a very obvious giveaway that it's been modified. It also makes literally any car look like a Delhi taxi in one easy step...

[LankyMcTally]

spikyone said:

And take off the crappy wind deflector. It's a very obvious giveaway that it's been modified. It also makes literally any car look like a Delhi taxi in one easy step...

And properly register it with the DVLA.

Sorry to be 'that guy' but none of the three K20 swap examples above have been registered and are still a diesel van, a 1.25 and a 1.8 respectively on their logbooks. Or is not registering an engine swap part of being a sleeper?

I filled in the paperwork when I did an engine swap on one of my cars and it grinds my gears a bit that people go through all the effort of shoehorning in an alternative motor but not completing a form and paying the appropriate road fund licence.

[normalbloke]

I cannot think of a worse vehicle to put the Honda donor engine into than that Sierra, with its weight, and the power delivery/low torque of the Honda mill. I wonder what the hearing is like too…

[RB Will]

Cant be sure from the pic but I was assuming it was supercharged otherwise it isn't really even a sleeper with 200bhp or less

[BrettMRC]

normalbloke said:

I cannot think of a worse vehicle to put the Honda donor engine into than that Sierra, with its weight, and the power delivery/low torque of the Honda mill. I wonder what the hearing is like too…

...pardon?

[normalbloke]

BrettMRC said:

normalbloke said:

I cannot think of a worse vehicle to put the Honda donor engine into than that Sierra, with its weight, and the power delivery/low torque of the Honda mill. I wonder what the hearing is like too…

...pardon?

Have I missed a subtlety as in its forced induction?

[wpa1975]

LankyMcTally said:

And properly register it with the DVLA.

Sorry to be 'that guy' but none of the three K20 swap examples above have been registered and are still a diesel van, a 1.25 and a 1.8 respectively on their logbooks. Or is not registering an engine swap part of being a sleeper?

I filled in the paperwork when I did an engine swap on one of my cars and it grinds my gears a bit that people go through all the effort of shoehorning in an alternative motor but not completing a form and paying the appropriate road fund licence.

I did spot that also the Maestro and Fiesta have no mot.

[J4CKO]

RB Will said:

Cant be sure from the pic but I was assuming it was supercharged otherwise it isn't really even a sleeper with 200bhp or less

Yeah, in part I agree but it should still be fairly rapid with 200 plus bhp assuming its a type R engine but the K20 thing has got a bit out of hand like putting one in anything renders it the ultimate missile. K20 is a family of engines from 140 ish bhp to 220 ish, the key bit is the strength and how they cope with forced induction.

Yes, they can be tuned to ridiculous levels and be 1000 bhp or more, but sticking an old Civic Type R engine in something makes it more or less as fast as an old Civic Type R give or take, is 200 ish bhp in a 1100 odd kilo car. I will move a lot better than a 90 bhp 1.8L Sierra did but it isnt going to be laying waste to Golf R's or similar. Plus doesnt look like a whole lot else has been done to these to get them to handle the power, they are pretty cool but I would imagine also a bit wayward.

Add in the fact they lack torque compared to modern turbo stuff, I cant see them troubling much faster machinery.

[pti]

normalbloke said:

BrettMRC said:

normalbloke said:

I cannot think of a worse vehicle to put the Honda donor engine into than that Sierra, with its weight, and the power delivery/low torque of the Honda mill. I wonder what the hearing is like too…

...pardon?

Have I missed a subtlety as in its forced induction?

You may have missed the subtlety that a Sierra isn't actually a heavy car by modern standards. And it's likely lighter than the K20 donor car. Granted it won't be that fast, but it's hardly like strapping a K20 to a Range Rover.

[spikyone]

pti said:

normalbloke said:

BrettMRC said:

normalbloke said:

I cannot think of a worse vehicle to put the Honda donor engine into than that Sierra, with its weight, and the power delivery/low torque of the Honda mill. I wonder what the hearing is like too…

...pardon?

Have I missed a subtlety as in its forced induction?

You may have missed the subtlety that a Sierra isn't actually a heavy car by modern standards. And it's likely lighter than the K20 donor car. Granted it won't be that fast, but it's hardly like strapping a K20 to a Range Rover.

You've both missed the subtlety of a comedy autocorrect. Parrots incoming.

[Draxindustries1]

Fiesta 1.4 'Flame". Standard apart from supercharger (cooper S) and modified ecu.
It's been dyno'd at 145hp with all std engine internals.
.

[RB Will]

Draxindustries1 said:

Fiesta 1.4 'Flame". Standard apart from supercharger (cooper S) and modified ecu.
It's been dyno'd at 145hp with all std engine internals.
.

May have been a sleeper 20-30 years ago when hot hatches were in that ballpark but what are you going to surprise these days with that power?

[Wadeski]

RB Will said:

Draxindustries1 said:

Fiesta 1.4 'Flame". Standard apart from supercharger (cooper S) and modified ecu.
It's been dyno'd at 145hp with all std engine internals.
.

May have been a sleeper 20-30 years ago when hot hatches were in that ballpark but what are you going to surprise these days with that power?

Street cleaners will never see it coming...you'll take em to Gapplebees.

[Fastdruid]

Think the roll cage and noise it would make would give things away... but I rather like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXqQRichkQ

(blatantly illegal mind)

[Speed addicted]

Fastdruid said:

Think the roll cage and noise it would make would give things away... but I rather like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXqQRichkQ

(blatantly illegal mind)

Not very sleeper, but a huge amount of work has hone into that.
Don’t think I’d want the brake fluid inside the car though!

[Fastdruid]

Speed addicted said:

Fastdruid said:

Think the roll cage and noise it would make would give things away... but I rather like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXqQRichkQ

(blatantly illegal mind)

Not very sleeper, but a huge amount of work has hone into that.
Don’t think I’d want the brake fluid inside the car though!

Well, ignoring the roll cage it's certainly sleeper vs what you'd expect a 1.3GL to do... 68bhp and 0-60 measured with a calendar (12.8) vs 231bhp and if we assume it's the same weight 810Kg! Should be faster than the original RX-8, the 0-60 calculator has it at 3.6s to 60 which is IMO pretty damn quick!

[trails]

Deffo not a sleeper, but pretty fabulous.

[trails]

Fastdruid said:

Well, ignoring the roll cage it's certainly sleeper vs what you'd expect a 1.3GL to do... 68bhp and 0-60 measured with a calendar (12.8) vs 231bhp and if we assume it's the same weight 810Kg! Should be faster than the original RX-8, the 0-60 calculator has it at 3.6s to 60 which is IMO pretty damn quick!

Can’t seem to find any footage of it in motion…lots of articles using that YouTube footage though. Maybe it’s a recently completed project.

[Speed addicted]

Fastdruid said:

Speed addicted said:

Fastdruid said:

Think the roll cage and noise it would make would give things away... but I rather like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwXqQRichkQ

(blatantly illegal mind)

Not very sleeper, but a huge amount of work has hone into that.
Don’t think I’d want the brake fluid inside the car though!

Well, ignoring the roll cage it's certainly sleeper vs what you'd expect a 1.3GL to do... 68bhp and 0-60 measured with a calendar (12.8) vs 231bhp and if we assume it's the same weight 810Kg! Should be faster than the original RX-8, the 0-60 calculator has it at 3.6s to 60 which is IMO pretty damn quick!

From a distance, which I’d imagine is all most people get to see, it does look quite subtle just a very shiny mk3 escort. It’ll obviously be rapid.
However it’s sleeper credentials are somewhat knackered by the roll cage, massive wheels and side exit exhaust. I don’t imagine it’ll be particularly quiet either.

Amazing bit of kit though.