RE: Ford FF1 production 'still being considered'

[Russ Bost]

Utterly pointless & very much doubt they'll ever make any. If they do they will probably be priced around £60-£70k, so if you actually want a single seat formula style car, then go buy the BAC Mono, far better built & better quality & way more performance. Alternatively go buy yourself a Furore F1, has a second seat if required, way more performance & less than half the price on the road!

[hairykrishna]

Russ Bost said:

Utterly pointless & very much doubt they'll ever make any. If they do they will probably be priced around £60-£70k, so if you actually want a single seat formula style car, then go buy the BAC Mono, far better built & better quality & way more performance. Alternatively go buy yourself a Furore F1, has a second seat if required, way more performance & less than half the price on the road!

I know it's your baby but you think your Furore will have 'way more performance' than a 200hp FF? Seriously?

[Ruaraidh_Gamma]

Gary C said:

Thats very true. They do things like massively pressurise the tyres to reduce rolling resistance etc.

Actually the tests for the figures that you see aren't carried out by the Manufacturers at all but by the VCA. http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/

It's not that they cheat massively but that the tests are so synthetic that most people simply don't drive like that....

Like the current Euro test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_European_Driving_Cycle.svg


Does anyone drive like this? NO? Then you won't get the same answer will you!!

[KMF]

Want one. Love it. Real alternative to the Mono and that is super car. Oh and i could take all my mates out in it as well

[mikEsprit]

This can't be road legal in the States, can it?

[Republik1980]

I really like the way Ford has used a performance oriented vehicle as a platform for an eco-engine; exploiting the same strengths that make the car quick to push fuel economy further.

Conceptually the purity of this format really appeals - minimal form, low mass, little frontal area, efficient engine.

IMO Hats off to Ford and it seems like a no-brainer to knock a few out as "halo" cars.

Pity there's no market to warrant churning them out in their tens of thousands and cutting the cost to, say £20k

[Cyrus1971]

Craiglamuffin said:

Pointless. And thus infinitely cool.

Very true ! Looks the part too.

It is true to Ford's history and values to do this project though, perhaps higher volumes though. The Ford GT40 was a developed with all the Ford know how for a fraction of the cost in order to be a Ferrari giant slayer. Some of that spirit could be in this car if done for the road.

[sideways man]

"Conceptually the purity of this format really appeals - minimal form, low mass, little frontal area, efficient engine".

Hasn't Lotus build cars to this format since the 1950's?

[iva cosworth]

April fools day more than a week away Ford

[Jimbo.]

iva cosworth said:

April fools day more than a week away Ford

I'm not so sure. This is a ready-made (-ish) halo car, much like the GT, Alfas 4C etc, except it's cost peanuts. Ford release this, they get acres of exposure. Sorted.

[CO2000]

Jimbo. said:

iva cosworth said:

April fools day more than a week away Ford

I'm not so sure. This is a ready-made (-ish) halo car, much like the GT, Alfas 4C etc, except it's cost peanuts. Ford release this, they get acres of exposure. Sorted.

+ tour a few round the bigger ford dealerships and create further buzz

[iva cosworth]

Jimbo. said:

iva cosworth said:

April fools day more than a week away Ford

I'm not so sure. This is a ready-made (-ish) halo car, much like the GT, Alfas 4C etc, except it's cost peanuts. Ford release this, they get acres of exposure. Sorted.

I just can't quite believe a company like Ford would consider selling roadgoing

Formula Ford cars,seems odd.

Especially at the prices being speculated above.

[deltashad]

Wow. Thats brilliant. May even get a nod from even the most hardcore biker and show them a clean set of heals. Can only dream......

[Hulie]

Never thought Ford would make the GT40 second time around, so you never know. I would certainly considered one at Caterham money.

[ayseven]

Love it too. Not ever going to be on a Canadian or American road though... too bad, because the longer I have my sevenalike, the more I think passengers are extra dead weight.

[ayseven]

Love it too. Not ever going to be on a Canadian or American road though... too bad, because the longer I have my sevenalike, the more I think passengers are extra dead weight.

[Gary C]

Ruaraidh_Gamma said:

Gary C said:

Thats very true. They do things like massively pressurise the tyres to reduce rolling resistance etc.

Actually the tests for the figures that you see aren't carried out by the Manufacturers at all but by the VCA. http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/

It's not that they cheat massively but that the tests are so synthetic that most people simply don't drive like that....

Like the current Euro test: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_European_Driving_Cycle.svg


Does anyone drive like this? NO? Then you won't get the same answer will you!!

I believe manufactures can manipulate the way the test is done, as they employ the testing facility. I was listening to a report last week on r4 which detailed the ways the manufacturers massaged the figures.

http://cars.aol.co.uk/2013/03/15/car-manufacturers...

This suggests that manufactures do massage the tests.

The vac just collates the data, they don't to the test.

Quote from the dft web site

WHO DOES THE TESTING?
The testing is carried out either by independent test organisations, or by the vehicle manufacturers or importers themselves, usually at their own test facilities.

In the UK, and before the results are officially recognised, the DfT will:

inspect the test laboratories and witness some tests being carried out, or;
check that the figures have been certified by a European member state national authority under the agreed arrangements for mutual recognition of test results.

So some wiggle room there.

http://www.dft.gov.uk/vca/fcb/the-fuel-consumption...

Edited by Gary C on Sunday 24th March 23:11

Edited by Gary C on Sunday 24th March 23:13

[Kermit79]

Cyrus1971 said:

Very true ! Looks the part too.

It is true to Ford's history and values to do this project though, perhaps higher volumes though. The Ford GT40 was a developed with all the Ford know how for a fraction of the cost in order to be a Ferrari giant slayer. Some of that spirit could be in this car if done for the road.

Ford GT40 built with Ford know how??? Broadley was at Lola, was contracted away from Lola by Ford along with two Lola GTs forming the basis for the prototype GT40....so Ford effectively bought the know how in......a small point.

[redroadster]

Would be very interesting to see what this car would cost to build if "mass" produced in the hundreds to thousands ,i think it could be done for less than 40 k and still make profit ,for the amount ford spends on r and d they should give this a go as the car looks sorted just needs putting into production please do it ford and show what could be done .

[lgomgf]

Russ Bost said:

Utterly pointless & very much doubt they'll ever make any. If they do they will probably be priced around £60-£70k, so if you actually want a single seat formula style car, then go buy the BAC Mono, far better built & better quality & way more performance. Alternatively go buy yourself a Furore F1, has a second seat if required, way more performance & less than half the price on the road!

sorry but this Furore is not nice at all... you cant compare the FF1 to it, i dont care even it it has a 30k price difference.