RE: Porsche Panamera Diesel: PH Fleet
Discussion
Leebo310 said:
wheedler said:
49 MPH is quite high average over 227 hours. You either live in the middle of nowhere or travel at 130mph often
I was thinking the same thing!Edo on here gets more or less the same in his 640d with a mixture of driving apparently, and that's in a car with way more power.
I agree the VW Phaeton is probably a reasonable contender if the main aspect of what this Panamera was all about was a photo of the trip data.
The main focus of this car being a comfortable and economical place to be and we will look past the depreciation and the looks.
Question is would Harris ever consider driving a VW?
The main focus of this car being a comfortable and economical place to be and we will look past the depreciation and the looks.
Question is would Harris ever consider driving a VW?
sisu said:
I agree the VW Phaeton is probably a reasonable contender if the main aspect of what this Panamera was all about was a photo of the trip data.
The main focus of this car being a comfortable and economical place to be and we will look past the depreciation and the looks.
Question is would Harris ever consider driving a VW?
Had a Passat didn't he?The main focus of this car being a comfortable and economical place to be and we will look past the depreciation and the looks.
Question is would Harris ever consider driving a VW?
Dagnut said:
motoroller said:
Personally I'd take a £10k Phaeton with a similar engine. Same comfort level IMO, at 1/6th the cost.
I don't usually agree with comparing new V used but here I agree, the whole purpose of a diesel is to be economical...this car isn't particularly economical, demands a huge premium to buy it, will be more expensive to tax , insure,service and it isn't even particularly fast, even as diesels go.What exactly is the point of this car?.....the badge is the only reason I can see for buying this car.
New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
A3tdi said:
Dagnut said:
motoroller said:
Personally I'd take a £10k Phaeton with a similar engine. Same comfort level IMO, at 1/6th the cost.
I don't usually agree with comparing new V used but here I agree, the whole purpose of a diesel is to be economical...this car isn't particularly economical, demands a huge premium to buy it, will be more expensive to tax , insure,service and it isn't even particularly fast, even as diesels go.What exactly is the point of this car?.....the badge is the only reason I can see for buying this car.
New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
A3tdi said:
Well in that case manufacturers may as well stop making new diesels.
New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
I know its a pointless comparison but is the Porsche the best fast diesel saloon out there now? The 5 and 6 series out perform it pretty much everywhere, even the cars from its own stable have it licked. You can get an A7 with the same engine but with quattro which arguably makes it a better all rounder. New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
I understand the market for performance diesels, it's the probably the most important sector now for big premium saloons, what I don't understand is why you would buy a Panamera which is slower , ugly, less economical and far more expensive.
It barely does 10 mpg more than the petrol
Why make a case for it on this site, because it has a Porsche badge?
Dagnut said:
A3tdi said:
Well in that case manufacturers may as well stop making new diesels.
New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
I know its a pointless comparison but is the Porsche the best fast diesel saloon out there now? The 5 and 6 series out perform it pretty much everywhere, even the cars from its own stable have it licked. You can get an A7 with the same engine but with quattro which arguably makes it a better all rounder. New v used is pointless. If it wasn't for new there would never be a used. This Porsche in 8 years time will be a great 'used' buy compared to whatever new diesel there is on the market.
I understand the market for performance diesels, it's the probably the most important sector now for big premium saloons, what I don't understand is why you would buy a Panamera which is slower , ugly, less economical and far more expensive.
It barely does 10 mpg more than the petrol
Why make a case for it on this site, because it has a Porsche badge?
Horses for courses really!
I no longer find the looks of the Panamera to be offensive and you can't argue with the economy and performance figures which are a fantastic combination for a large saloon.
With high residuals,high status, Porsche engineering and service, and at a reasonable price, it's beginning to look like an executive bargain.
With high residuals,high status, Porsche engineering and service, and at a reasonable price, it's beginning to look like an executive bargain.
You are paying a premium for these as a status symbol sure there are car's that perform better and to some people LOOK better. But they will never have the same road presence and special feel than the panamera. Im not sure why some people will only buy a car purely for function. live life a little its a great feeling driving around in something special even if you can get something that performs better for less.
motoroller said:
Personally I'd take a £10k Phaeton with a similar engine. Same comfort level IMO, at 1/6th the cost.
New vs old argument though. You could say, for example
"Personally I would take a £10k 7 Series with a similar engine to the Phaeton. Same comfort level IMO, at 1/6 of the cost of a new Phaeton"
PGM said:
Why make a case against it? Maybe the quattro of the A7 is not really needed/wanted or the fact the A7 is not a good looking car to me (Panamera looks more purposeful to me)? Saloon boot makes it a no-goer for me too, the Pan can get my dog in it if I have to. 640 is the same and like the A7 is not as good inside.
Horses for courses really!
I don't have anything in particular against it, just not sure why it's getting compared on economy with a 6 year old car when there's a newer version that does better mileage and makes 60 more hp.Horses for courses really!
I get that Porsche is perceived to be more special, is just not a class leader is it? You'd expect a premium product to be at the top of the class
Well, fuel to the fire here now, my 997 has now gone and a Panamera is in it's place and it wasn't a result bribery by Porsche either 
As some of you know, I had my 996 for around 7 years and we went all over Europe as a family from when the boys were 9 months old. We sold the car to fund the renovation of our 200 year old cottage in 2010.
Fast forward two years and I was keen to return to the good old days and went out and bought the 997 last July without properly thinking things through which is very unusual for me. I obviously had the experience and knew what I wanted but forgot I had bigger kids now Now this car was awesome in every way, we all loved it. It was more refined, had ever so slightly more space in it but was substantially quicker and better on fuel than the 996 and into the bargain looked fantastic. This car is a capable machine, way more power than is ever needed on the road and I found myself starting to drive down the road to a substantial stretch with Her Majesty every time I used it! You just have to drive at ever more intergalactic speed to keep that "fix" going. On a track, fair enough this is needed and is where the GT cars come in but it was getting silly on the road.
A month later we traveled to the Alps in it for a summer holiday as we had done so many times over the years in the 996. It became apparent during this holiday and on several subsequent outings that the car was not really for growing lads in the back (now aged 12 and 9). The seats were uncomfortable with next to no padding and the 12 year old required more leg room resulting in the front passenger seat having to be so far forward the person in the front's knees were touching the dash.
All this for a little bit of hooning in the mountains on my own for 1/2 day while in the Alps!
Now, I'd had a Panamera from OPC Reading on loan whilst the 997 was in for warranty work a while back and was thoroughly impressed with it. This was to be the obvious solution to the problem.
The 997 was now due a major service at £1100, road tax at £460 and a set of tyres at approaching £1000 in the next 2-3 months, not inconsiderable (but obviously expected) bills given nothing was even wrong with it!
I have a contact in Inchcape who own Porsche Centre Portsmouth and Bournemouth and he contacted the sales managers of both who offered me lightly used or demonstrator vehicles but all were way above my budget.
Last week, Phil the sales manager from Portsmouth rang me about a new, unregistered car that was in the showroom which they wanted to shift by the end of the month. Spec was pretty high and perfect for me. After a bit of an extended period of negotiation a large (read massive!) discount was offered on the Panamera and a price not far off private sale value offered on the 997 which brought the car into the price category of an 18 month old car with a few miles on it and although above my initial budget represented good value for money and a deal I couldn't walk away from. The man maths calculator came into it's own that day!
The result of which is that this is now mine:
Panamera Platinum 3.0V6 Diesel in white with 20" Turbo Wheels, 8 speed paddle shift tiptronic, rear privacy glass, full black leather interior, 100l fuel tank (gives range over 900 miles touring in Europe!), PCM 3.0 with bluetooth, nav with the full 7 digit postcode finally, electric tailgate and quite a bit more that I can't remember!
Returned 40 mpg on the journey home which is a bonus!
All in all a fantastic touring machine and one which we can get our Spaniel into aswell! Kerry, my wife loves it and the boys are over the moon with the rear accommodation and love the car too. I've been called a footballer though
ops:
Plans are afoot for the next touring holiday, a return to Corsica seems favoured at the moment, another later on to Turkey where some friends have an apartment, the start of something good!
Anyway, I know this thing has been divisive in the motoring world let alone the Porsche world so keen to hear feedback both ways.
Cheers
Paul
As some of you know, I had my 996 for around 7 years and we went all over Europe as a family from when the boys were 9 months old. We sold the car to fund the renovation of our 200 year old cottage in 2010.
Fast forward two years and I was keen to return to the good old days and went out and bought the 997 last July without properly thinking things through which is very unusual for me. I obviously had the experience and knew what I wanted but forgot I had bigger kids now
Now this car was awesome in every way, we all loved it. It was more refined, had ever so slightly more space in it but was substantially quicker and better on fuel than the 996 and into the bargain looked fantastic. This car is a capable machine, way more power than is ever needed on the road and I found myself starting to drive down the road to a substantial stretch with Her Majesty every time I used it! You just have to drive at ever more intergalactic speed to keep that "fix" going. On a track, fair enough this is needed and is where the GT cars come in but it was getting silly on the road.A month later we traveled to the Alps in it for a summer holiday as we had done so many times over the years in the 996. It became apparent during this holiday and on several subsequent outings that the car was not really for growing lads in the back (now aged 12 and 9). The seats were uncomfortable with next to no padding and the 12 year old required more leg room resulting in the front passenger seat having to be so far forward the person in the front's knees were touching the dash.
All this for a little bit of hooning in the mountains on my own for 1/2 day while in the Alps!
Now, I'd had a Panamera from OPC Reading on loan whilst the 997 was in for warranty work a while back and was thoroughly impressed with it. This was to be the obvious solution to the problem.
The 997 was now due a major service at £1100, road tax at £460 and a set of tyres at approaching £1000 in the next 2-3 months, not inconsiderable (but obviously expected) bills given nothing was even wrong with it!
I have a contact in Inchcape who own Porsche Centre Portsmouth and Bournemouth and he contacted the sales managers of both who offered me lightly used or demonstrator vehicles but all were way above my budget.
Last week, Phil the sales manager from Portsmouth rang me about a new, unregistered car that was in the showroom which they wanted to shift by the end of the month. Spec was pretty high and perfect for me. After a bit of an extended period of negotiation a large (read massive!) discount was offered on the Panamera and a price not far off private sale value offered on the 997 which brought the car into the price category of an 18 month old car with a few miles on it and although above my initial budget represented good value for money and a deal I couldn't walk away from. The man maths calculator came into it's own that day!
The result of which is that this is now mine:
Panamera Platinum 3.0V6 Diesel in white with 20" Turbo Wheels, 8 speed paddle shift tiptronic, rear privacy glass, full black leather interior, 100l fuel tank (gives range over 900 miles touring in Europe!), PCM 3.0 with bluetooth, nav with the full 7 digit postcode finally, electric tailgate and quite a bit more that I can't remember!
Returned 40 mpg on the journey home which is a bonus!
All in all a fantastic touring machine and one which we can get our Spaniel into aswell! Kerry, my wife loves it and the boys are over the moon with the rear accommodation and love the car too. I've been called a footballer though
ops: Plans are afoot for the next touring holiday, a return to Corsica seems favoured at the moment, another later on to Turkey where some friends have an apartment, the start of something good!
Anyway, I know this thing has been divisive in the motoring world let alone the Porsche world so keen to hear feedback both ways.
Cheers
Paul
The car looks lovely and it means you get to own a Porsche without torturing your children
I think the Panamera is a good looking car anyway, especially in the flesh. It is quite muscular looking and is different from anything else on the road, also I like the fact that it can't be mistaken for anything else, it looks like a 4 door Porsche (which is what it is)
Hope you enjoy your new car
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