Private plate anomoly.

[V8LM]

Stick Legs said:

I asked the workshop manager who is a friend of mine, and he said it was okay if it was a DVLA private plate purchased from them.
I thought it was odd enough to ask about.

Very odd and probably wrong, as no registration is purchased; only an entitlement to use on a car.

[TallPaul]

DVLA can and do make mistakes, whilst you cant fit a registration to a car that makes it look newer than it really is (there are no "special exceptions"), errors can occur. It happens much less now but before and during the computer update, DVLA got a lot of things wrong- missing licence entitlements etc. If a car was registered from new on a dateless plate and was then sold a few years later, it wasnt uncommon for it to be assigned a new registration. DVLA will usually allow the plate to stay on the car due to it being their mistake.
I dont know if this applies in this case but they're not infallible.

[Stick Legs]

TallPaul said:

DVLA can and do make mistakes, whilst you cant fit a registration to a car that makes it look newer than it really is (there are no "special exceptions"), errors can occur. It happens much less now but before and during the computer update, DVLA got a lot of things wrong- missing licence entitlements etc. If a car was registered from new on a dateless plate and was then sold a few years later, it wasnt uncommon for it to be assigned a new registration. DVLA will usually allow the plate to stay on the car due to it being their mistake.
I dont know if this applies in this case but they're not infallible.

That's interesting, I had an Omega Elite once, V404FFV which stated that the plate could not be transfered. maybe because it could too easily be confused with an 04 plate?

[s p a c e m a n]

I think that the reason for non transferable private plates is because they are the numbers that the car was first registered with, they cant be sold because there is no original plate for the vehicle to revert back to. My logbook has the same statement on it.

[djdestiny]

Make ASTON MARTIN
Model-Series
Model V8 VANTAGE
Year 24-09-1980
Chassis No. V8S0R12275
Engine No. V/580/2275/S
Fuel Type PETROL
Engine Capacity 5340
Power (KW)
Power (BHP)
Transmission AUTOMATIC
No. of Gears 3
Body Style 2 DOOR SALOON
Cylinders 8
Valves
FWD/RWD/4WD REAR

[jon-]

Stick Legs said:

(proper Newport Pagnell style)

Here's the hint. Fake plates.

[GoneAnon]

s p a c e m a n said:

I think that the reason for non transferable private plates is because they are the numbers that the car was first registered with, they cant be sold because there is no original plate for the vehicle to revert back to. My logbook has the same statement on it.

The non-transferable number is one that DVLA have issued to replace a private plate that has been moved to another car.


Otherwise, the owner of a single ageless cherished number could have an almost inexhaustable stock of almost free ageless plates simply by transferring that number to another car (or onto a retention certificate), get another ageless plate, transfer or retain that number and so on.

[MarsellusWallace]

I had a 1997 Mercedes E Class a while back that had been re registered from Ireland in 2002 but a mistake was made by dvla and it ended up on an 02 plate.

One of my neighbours bought a brand new car once that the dealer put an allocated plate on then forgot to register it.He was cleaning the car some months later and noticed there was no tax disc so called the dealer to ask them if they knew its whereabouts.When they checked the reg number on their system it didn't exist,and they then realised their mistake.dvla would not let them register the car on that number (a 57 plate from memory),and it had to be completely re registered as new on an 08 plate.

[singlecoil]

jon- said:

Stick Legs said:

(proper Newport Pagnell style)

Here's the hint. Fake plates.

[Fun Bus]

For the first 10.5 weeks of this year I was on jury service. The trial involved the DVLA as an expert witness.

The errors highlighted were embarrassing and blew a hole in some parts of the prosecution case.

[s p a c e m a n]

GoneAnon said:

s p a c e m a n said:

I think that the reason for non transferable private plates is because they are the numbers that the car was first registered with, they cant be sold because there is no original plate for the vehicle to revert back to. My logbook has the same statement on it.

The non-transferable number is one that DVLA have issued to replace a private plate that has been moved to another car.


Otherwise, the owner of a single ageless cherished number could have an almost inexhaustable stock of almost free ageless plates simply by transferring that number to another car (or onto a retention certificate), get another ageless plate, transfer or retain that number and so on.

This is where I always get confused, I must not understand how these things work. I thought that you buy a personal registration and put it onto a vehicle, then if in the future you remove that number the vehicle reverts back to the original one that it was first registered with. How can you sell on the number that the vehicle was first registered with, it wont be a personal registration number. Or when you put a personal registration number on a vehicle do the DIVLA sell on the one that was there before?

My head hurts

[2 sMoKiN bArReLs]

These errors do occur. DVLA allocated a W reg to one of my TVRs which was two years older.

[Deva Link]

TallPaul said:

DVLA can and do make mistakes, whilst you cant fit a registration to a car that makes it look newer than it really is (there are no "special exceptions"), errors can occur. It happens much less now but before and during the computer update, DVLA got a lot of things wrong- missing licence entitlements etc. If a car was registered from new on a dateless plate and was then sold a few years later, it wasnt uncommon for it to be assigned a new registration. DVLA will usually allow the plate to stay on the car due to it being their mistake.
I dont know if this applies in this case but they're not infallible.

There's a thread somewhere on PH where it came to the DVLA's attention that they'd cocked up and allowed a newer plate to be used. They told the owner to stop using under threat of cancelling the number.

[GoneAnon]

s p a c e m a n said:

GoneAnon said:

s p a c e m a n said:

I think that the reason for non transferable private plates is because they are the numbers that the car was first registered with, they cant be sold because there is no original plate for the vehicle to revert back to. My logbook has the same statement on it.

The non-transferable number is one that DVLA have issued to replace a private plate that has been moved to another car.


Otherwise, the owner of a single ageless cherished number could have an almost inexhaustable stock of almost free ageless plates simply by transferring that number to another car (or onto a retention certificate), get another ageless plate, transfer or retain that number and so on.

This is where I always get confused, I must not understand how these things work. I thought that you buy a personal registration and put it onto a vehicle, then if in the future you remove that number the vehicle reverts back to the original one that it was first registered with. How can you sell on the number that the vehicle was first registered with, it wont be a personal registration number. Or when you put a personal registration number on a vehicle do the DIVLA sell on the one that was there before?

My head hurts

Until DVLA started selling plates ALL the cherished numbers in use had originally been issued FOC to a new car upon first registration, and then moved around from one car to another ever since then.

Even now, if the random "normal" plate you get on your new car spells something (unlikely), or you just like it, or it means something to you, or you just can't be bothered memorising a new number, you can transfer that number to your next car.

In the case of a car that had a "normal" number before the private number was put on it, then often the original "normal" number will be reissued, but not always, and I'm not sure why not.

However, if the car was registered from new on a cherished number, it doesn't have an original "normal" number to revert to so another, non-transferrable, number is issued.