RE: Jaguar F-Type: Six or Eight?
Discussion
kambites said:
And the V6 doesn't have a fourth bank of cylinder bores, therefore it is not the same block; just one that shares certain design elements.
Mind you, even having the same external block dimensions seems an awful engineering fudge, to me.
I think it is pretty smart, simple packaging for one thing, lots of common parts!Mind you, even having the same external block dimensions seems an awful engineering fudge, to me.
Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th April 08:13
andyps said:
The way the video works doesn't make it easy to see but based on this snapshot from it there is no way that a piston could be added and the basic casting is obviously very different to that required for 4 cylinders each side. The end water jackets do look pretty large, however:
On that snapshot at the front of the engine; thats not the water jackets.... thats where a timing chain would run.Kawasicki said:
I think it is pretty smart, simple packaging for one thing, lots of common parts!
And an unnecessary lump of metal slung over the front axle to increase the polar moment of inertia and take longer to warm up. It's an inferior engineering design to save money (not that there's anything inherently wrong with doing that, manufacturers do it all the time). Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th April 11:17
jamieduff1981 said:
You know, between this and the GT86 etc, is it possible that we've perhaps gone too far with performance on road cars and are perhaps coming to the conclusion that sometimes less is more?
I think we realised that some time ago.... MX-5 anyone? 
In the meantime, that V6 does look very much like the V8 with the end 2 blanked off...
mackie1 said:
So they've made the world's bulkiest V6 then? Does it have a balancer shaft to deal with it being 90 degree instead of 60?
You'd hope so 
But the block, I'm going to assume is alloy, surely isn't a big part of the weight... It's all the gubbings inside, heads etc...?
Not like it's a cast iron block like days of yore.
I can understand how a slower car could be more fun. One of the great joys I have in mine is putting it in Sport mode and letting the engine rev all the way to the redline, up through the first couple of gears.
When I was looking for the car I originally wanted one of the later supercharged ones but ended up falling for mine. I'm now actually quite glad I did as although it's not the fastest thing on the road, there's no way I could enjoy stretching the engine out like that in a 400bhp example without loosing my lisence or dying in a ball of flames, I'd imagine.
When I was looking for the car I originally wanted one of the later supercharged ones but ended up falling for mine. I'm now actually quite glad I did as although it's not the fastest thing on the road, there's no way I could enjoy stretching the engine out like that in a 400bhp example without loosing my lisence or dying in a ball of flames, I'd imagine.
kambites said:
Mind you, even having the same external block dimensions seems an awful engineering fudge, to me.
Same here, why carry around an extra 15 or 20 kilos of aluminium, that is also pushing the CoG further towards the front axle?Edited by kambites on Thursday 18th April 08:13
That's why I can't understand it; it would be awfully cheap of Jaguar to claim they're 'cost saving' on a £75K car.
Going back to the original question - V6 or V8? - the choice is dependant on the the type of person you are.
If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
mackie1 said:
So they've made the world's bulkiest V6 then? Does it have a balancer shaft to deal with it being 90 degree instead of 60?
I can't easily tell from the pictures whether the 6 is 60 degree or 90. The similarities are likely to be all the internals, a different block casting isn't terribly expensive compared with getting all the chamber design, valve gear, injectors, electronics and emissions right.pb1695 said:
Going back to the original question - V6 or V8? - the choice is dependant on the the type of person you are.
If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
Oh, I dunno. I reckon the more enthusiastic drivers will be swayed by the finer balance of the V6 and the fact you can actually driver it harder without being totally irresponsible. The older buyers who like to brag about their car down the golf club and occasionally give it a bit of a squirt in a straight line will be tempted by the V8. If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
Chris71 said:
pb1695 said:
Going back to the original question - V6 or V8? - the choice is dependant on the the type of person you are.
If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
Oh, I dunno. I reckon the more enthusiastic drivers will be swayed by the finer balance of the V6 and the fact you can actually driver it harder without being totally irresponsible. The older buyers who like to brag about their car down the golf club and occasionally give it a bit of a squirt in a straight line will be tempted by the V8. If you are prepared to let everyone know you are in touch with your feminine side, like a nice salad, believe that global warming is a man made phenomena, and have a penchant for Porsche Coxsters and Gaymans - because they are probably going to be £3.55 cheaper over the next 3 years - the V6 is for you.
For the type of man (or Woman), who is partial to a piece of beef that can walk off the plate of its on accord, is never embarrassed in the shower, and who's idea of being a feminist was our dearly departed Margaret Thatcher, then their is only one choice - V8.
Come on guys, man up and buy the V8!
This whole debate is daft, a well sorted car with 380bhp and lots of torque will be ballistic on a back road. I would have the V8, but the V6 can hardly be described as a slow car.
Chris71 said:
Oh, I dunno. I reckon the more enthusiastic drivers will be swayed by the finer balance of the V6 and the fact you can actually driver it harder without being totally irresponsible. The older buyers who like to brag about their car down the golf club and occasionally give it a bit of a squirt in a straight line will be tempted by the V8.
I am enthusiastically irresponsible! Golf - is that the game with little bats and funny shoes?
Chris71 said:
Oh, I dunno. I reckon the more enthusiastic drivers will be swayed by the finer balance of the V6 and the fact you can actually driver it harder without being totally irresponsible. The older buyers who like to brag about their car down the golf club and occasionally give it a bit of a squirt in a straight line will be tempted by the V8.
I am enthusiastically irresponsible! Golf - is that the game with little bats and funny shoes?
Chris71 said:
Oh, I dunno. I reckon the more enthusiastic drivers will be swayed by the finer balance of the V6 and the fact you can actually driver it harder without being totally irresponsible. The older buyers who like to brag about their car down the golf club and occasionally give it a bit of a squirt in a straight line will be tempted by the V8.
I am enthusiastically irresponsible! Golf - is that the game with little bats and funny shoes?
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