RE: BMW M6 Gran Coupe: review
Discussion
It's a great trick isn't it. Take a four door saloon, remove two doors and make the body styling a bit more sporty call the engine a 40d instead of a 35d even though it's exactly the same and jack the price £20k. Then add back the two doors and add another couple of grand.
If they actually sold any for list price the 6 series must be BMW's most profitable car.
If they actually sold any for list price the 6 series must be BMW's most profitable car.
This is why it is important to have two performance brands rather than dilute the 'M' badge. Why was it not called M-Sport or something, leaving the 'M' badge for those in the range that are in keeping with the heritage?!
Like Jaguar have the 'S' brand but the 'R' is reserved for only the hedonistic models.
Regards,
MyCC.
Like Jaguar have the 'S' brand but the 'R' is reserved for only the hedonistic models.
Regards,
MyCC.
The 6-Series Gran Coupe suffers from a distinct lack of headroom and kneeroom . My brother bought one a few weeks ago and paid waaayy under the list price as it had been sat on the dealer's forecourt from new for nearly a year, however he sold it after just 4 weeks for various reasons including the lack of space inside.
In terms of sales I bet it does worse than the 5-series GT ...
In terms of sales I bet it does worse than the 5-series GT ...
MyCC said:
Why was it not called M-Sport or something, leaving the 'M' badge for those in the range that are in keeping with the heritage?!
Because on the 6er they already use the 'M-Sport' branding for the trim upgrade (seats, wheels, stitching, leather) that it appears a majority of buyers go for - at least judging by the proportion of used 'M-Sport' versions. It's a means to upsell on the standard model. It's the same brand dilution as Mercedes with 'AMG' being used to brand up some cosmetic upgrades on basic saloons.
The problem for the M6 GC is the M5. How do you better it technically with a car that is basically on the same platform using the same underlying transmission and engine such that it is worth £20K+ more? You can't do that by looks alone given how much credibility the M5 has.
GranCab said:
My brother bought one a few weeks ago and paid waaayy under the list price as it had been sat on the dealer's forecourt from new for nearly a year,
The deals that have been available on new ones make the ones that have been sitting around look like poor value unless they are very high spec.The interior size is a matter of taste. The roof on the GC is low so it's not got the room of a saloon - especially in the back - and the extra space compared with a 2 door version is only about 4 inches. I'm not sure if the weight distribution is better on the 6GC than the 5 series but it certainly seems very composed with heavy passengers.
GranCab said:
In terms of sales I bet it does worse than the 5-series GT ...
Don't see many of either out there - but the production targets for the 6 will be way lower than the saloons so it's probablyly a question of yield - how much the actually make off them rather than how many.I suspect that BMW have a lot of headroom to work with on the 6 as regards margins.
Is it getting to the point where whole "M" car thing of being a road racer is more of an exception than the rule? It seems that 90% of what the M division have produced have have been closer to sports GT's than the E30 M3 homologation special that first springs to mind when I think of "M".
Schnellmann said:
Not sure what, if anything, this has in common with an E30 M3 or other, early M cars. Perhaps it is time for BMW to come up with a new name.
I disagree. The original M5 for example was a luxury saloon (for the time) with a sodding great engine. It was also the heaviest of the 5er range. As was the E30 M3. M cars have never really been about lightweight stripped race cars for the road. They've almost always been useable daily cars with good performance.
The Vambo said:
Is it getting to the point where whole "M" car thing of being a road racer is more of an exception than the rule? It seems that 90% of what the M division have produced have have been closer to sports GT's than the E30 M3 homologation special that first springs to mind when I think of "M".
Once the M5 came out I think that things had shifted in terms of market. Those who remembered the E30 M3 had moved on in terms of age and income. So an M today is a hybrid between the M as originally envisaged and an executive express.Dryce said:
Once the M5 came out I think that things had shifted in terms of market. Those who remembered the E30 M3 had moved on in terms of age and income. So an M today is a hybrid between the M as originally envisaged and an executive express.
Yeah but even the E36 M3 was a long way from a racer and that was only one generation on, could it be that a lot of enthusiasts misunderstand M div?Cheib said:
If they actually sold any for list price the 6 series must be BMW's most profitable car.
Local dealer to here was advertising them at £21k off. Not sure what spec that pertains to but that's a hell of a discount on a fairly fresh model. Still looks like something Judith Chalmers would drive though. E38Ross said:
I disagree. The original M5 for example was a luxury saloon (for the time) with a sodding great engine. It was also the heaviest of the 5er range. As was the E30 M3.
M cars have never really been about lightweight stripped race cars for the road. They've almost always been useable daily cars with good performance.
So how heavy was the E3 M3 & The E28 M5?M cars have never really been about lightweight stripped race cars for the road. They've almost always been useable daily cars with good performance.
Useable daily cars with good performance - isn't that any BMW?
The 1st M car was a lightweight car. And there have been many and these have cemented BMW's track reputation. All before your time
Can't help thinking this will be a curio. In a world where a 55 plate M6 can be had for £20k the cost of depreciation plus running costs make it a bit of a white elephant. Shame as it does look startling good in the metal and is probably the most successful of the the post Bangle designs, to this Banglophile's eye anyway. What this can do above and beyond a 640D in the real world is probably very little and if comfort and speed is what is needed then then the wafty diesel with its allergy to pump forecourts would surely be the mill of choice.
Mermaid said:
So how heavy was the E3 M3 & The E28 M5?
Useable daily cars with good performance - isn't that any BMW?
The 1st M car was a lightweight car. And there have been many and these have cemented BMW's track reputation. All before your time
The 1st M car perhaps, but since then...? The 1st m3 was the heaviest of the 3 series range. The first M5 weighed as much as a 7 series. They may have weighed less than today's models, but they were slower in every aspect, less refined, less spacious, and less safe. I'd bet you my last penny that if an original M5 went on sale today brand new as a model by bmw (if it was pass safety laws etc) it wouldn't sell for sUseable daily cars with good performance - isn't that any BMW?
The 1st M car was a lightweight car. And there have been many and these have cemented BMW's track reputation. All before your time
t. MM cars have very rarely been lightweight examples. Excluding the M1 and E46 M3csl they've all been the heaviest of their equivalent ranges. People don't seem to understand that and think old M cars were all lightweight machines which they just weren't. Rose tinted specs.
Edited by E38Ross on Monday 22 April 17:50
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