RE: Porsche 911 Turbo (930): Driven
Discussion
I owned a 930 turbo and without doubt it was the most dangerous thing on four wheels I've ever driven. It looked fantastic in the car park but the fact it wouldn't go around corners and stopped like an ocean going oil tanker took the edge of shall we say.
That one's a bit red as well!. Nostalgia aint what it used to be! well not in this case anyway, keep it on the bedroom wall.
That one's a bit red as well!. Nostalgia aint what it used to be! well not in this case anyway, keep it on the bedroom wall.
sone said:
I owned a 930 turbo and without doubt it was the most dangerous thing on four wheels I've ever driven. It looked fantastic in the car park but the fact it wouldn't go around corners and stopped like an ocean going oil tanker took the edge of shall we say.
That one's a bit red as well!. Nostalgia aint what it used to be! well not in this case anyway, keep it on the bedroom wall.
Ha, ha, ha!! I knew we could count on your impartial, consistent & balanced review That one's a bit red as well!. Nostalgia aint what it used to be! well not in this case anyway, keep it on the bedroom wall.
Had to check the classifieds after that! Look at this (dealer alert 
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http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
£20k and looks stunning!
TX.
):http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/p...
£20k and looks stunning!
TX.
Dusty964 said:
OpulentBob said:
Too much red.
And SOOOO many £££.
You could have your pick of the modern Aston stable for that money. In fact you could have pretty much anything on your drive for that money.
(I know, it's a 911 and it's iconic and it's a special car, but for it's age, £££££££)
(And yes it's better than my car and it's a car I will never be able to afford or even ever have the chance to sit in, but it's my instant reaction. And I love 911's.)
I'm in full agreement with the red- bloody awful, especially on the dials.And SOOOO many £££.
You could have your pick of the modern Aston stable for that money. In fact you could have pretty much anything on your drive for that money.
(I know, it's a 911 and it's iconic and it's a special car, but for it's age, £££££££)
(And yes it's better than my car and it's a car I will never be able to afford or even ever have the chance to sit in, but it's my instant reaction. And I love 911's.)
I also agree it's a lot of cash, but...whilst you could have any modern Aston, you couldn't have any of the classics? And I guess that's the point of this? Surely this will continue appreciating, whilst remaining fun, usable and pretty iconic.
Please don't think I'm being argumentative- I agree with your opinion, but in my eyes, you can't compare this with a new car.
I'd know where I'd spend my pennies!
louismchuge said:
Ah yes. A true boat. BlimeyCharlie said:
No doubt we will be flooded by a hosepipe of 'tricky handling' comments, but I still feel too much fuss is made of 911 handling 'shortcomings'. There are none.
A 911, especially a 911 turbo, is a special product and needs to be approached baring in mind the basic principle of weight distribution and physics.
Anyone can spin a car, or end up in a hedge, but this is basic human error, nothing else. A lack of understanding what to do, or not to do.
You don't see Walter Rohrl, Jimmy McRae etc spinning their 911's because of 'handling' issues.
I had a 911 turbo ( a 964 model turbo) and it was brilliant. Everything I wanted and more.
The most dangerous car I've ever had was a Skoda Felicia 1.3, with lift-off oversteer at 25 mph on large roundabouts, when some clown would force you to, er, lift-off when you didn't want to at 35mph. That was the only car I've ever had that would bite. Even radically changing tyre pressures didn't help. So I sold it. That cured the handling for me.
Other cars famed for being potential deathtraps are 205 GTI's, which again would be lift-off oversteer.
The worst part of any car's handling is the lack of understanding of physics from the driver.
So if a Porsche 911 spins it's user error, but if a Skoda Fabia or Pug 205 spins, it's the cars fault?A 911, especially a 911 turbo, is a special product and needs to be approached baring in mind the basic principle of weight distribution and physics.
Anyone can spin a car, or end up in a hedge, but this is basic human error, nothing else. A lack of understanding what to do, or not to do.
You don't see Walter Rohrl, Jimmy McRae etc spinning their 911's because of 'handling' issues.
I had a 911 turbo ( a 964 model turbo) and it was brilliant. Everything I wanted and more.
The most dangerous car I've ever had was a Skoda Felicia 1.3, with lift-off oversteer at 25 mph on large roundabouts, when some clown would force you to, er, lift-off when you didn't want to at 35mph. That was the only car I've ever had that would bite. Even radically changing tyre pressures didn't help. So I sold it. That cured the handling for me.
Other cars famed for being potential deathtraps are 205 GTI's, which again would be lift-off oversteer.
The worst part of any car's handling is the lack of understanding of physics from the driver.
There's many many factors that make a car spin from poor physics to user error. I have never spun a FWD car as it's just daft lifting right off mid bend.
I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
The easiest way to stop a tail happy car from spinning though of course is simply not to drive like a pleb.
PHMatt said:
BlimeyCharlie said:
No doubt we will be flooded by a hosepipe of 'tricky handling' comments, but I still feel too much fuss is made of 911 handling 'shortcomings'. There are none.
A 911, especially a 911 turbo, is a special product and needs to be approached baring in mind the basic principle of weight distribution and physics.
Anyone can spin a car, or end up in a hedge, but this is basic human error, nothing else. A lack of understanding what to do, or not to do.
You don't see Walter Rohrl, Jimmy McRae etc spinning their 911's because of 'handling' issues.
I had a 911 turbo ( a 964 model turbo) and it was brilliant. Everything I wanted and more.
The most dangerous car I've ever had was a Skoda Felicia 1.3, with lift-off oversteer at 25 mph on large roundabouts, when some clown would force you to, er, lift-off when you didn't want to at 35mph. That was the only car I've ever had that would bite. Even radically changing tyre pressures didn't help. So I sold it. That cured the handling for me.
Other cars famed for being potential deathtraps are 205 GTI's, which again would be lift-off oversteer.
The worst part of any car's handling is the lack of understanding of physics from the driver.
So if a Porsche 911 spins it's user error, but if a Skoda Fabia or Pug 205 spins, it's the cars fault?A 911, especially a 911 turbo, is a special product and needs to be approached baring in mind the basic principle of weight distribution and physics.
Anyone can spin a car, or end up in a hedge, but this is basic human error, nothing else. A lack of understanding what to do, or not to do.
You don't see Walter Rohrl, Jimmy McRae etc spinning their 911's because of 'handling' issues.
I had a 911 turbo ( a 964 model turbo) and it was brilliant. Everything I wanted and more.
The most dangerous car I've ever had was a Skoda Felicia 1.3, with lift-off oversteer at 25 mph on large roundabouts, when some clown would force you to, er, lift-off when you didn't want to at 35mph. That was the only car I've ever had that would bite. Even radically changing tyre pressures didn't help. So I sold it. That cured the handling for me.
Other cars famed for being potential deathtraps are 205 GTI's, which again would be lift-off oversteer.
The worst part of any car's handling is the lack of understanding of physics from the driver.
There's many many factors that make a car spin from poor physics to user error. I have never spun a FWD car as it's just daft lifting right off mid bend.
I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
The easiest way to stop a tail happy car from spinning though of course is simply not to drive like a pleb.
PHMatt said:
There's many many factors that make a car spin from poor physics to user error. I have never spun a FWD car as it's just daft lifting right off mid bend.
I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
Not quite, wider tyres on the rear of a Mk1 MR2 and you'll have an understeery mess that has no balance - put the same 195's all round and you have a wonderfully balanced pointy fun car.I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
The right tyres as the manufacturer has worked out is often best.
Dodgey_Rog said:
If you ever saw the movie 'No Mans Land' with Charlie Sheen, they had a silver 930 with gold wheels, it looked tasty!!!
Fair play for remembering No Mans Land, I don't know anyone else who's seen it! I had a copy on VHS and last yr managed to track down a DVD copy, so I can enjoy 80's Porsche car chase indulgence to my hearts content 
Emperor's New Clothes moment:
I do like the look of many Older Porsches and even this, but that Red 930 is actually fairly horrible to look at.
I'd like to drive one to discover for myself just how challenging/quirky/characterful/perfect/dangerous they are when driven hard though.
I do like the look of many Older Porsches and even this, but that Red 930 is actually fairly horrible to look at.
I'd like to drive one to discover for myself just how challenging/quirky/characterful/perfect/dangerous they are when driven hard though.
Edited by MC Bodge on Tuesday 30th April 15:33
Nice; I love that era of 911, and Guards Red to my eyes is even better than white; love it.
The clocks would be relatively easy to take out and return to standard, and the dealer selling it will have at least £5k in there to deal with part ex punters with an overpriced less loved model classic to trade. Cash sale I reckon you could chip them to £38k with some careful work; then its looking more realistic, and will certainly creep up in value with age.
All this talk of tail happy porkers; you wanna drive a 7+ litre cobra replica to understand tail happy...any 911 is the very model of composure in comparison!!!
Great write up, thanks
Steve
The clocks would be relatively easy to take out and return to standard, and the dealer selling it will have at least £5k in there to deal with part ex punters with an overpriced less loved model classic to trade. Cash sale I reckon you could chip them to £38k with some careful work; then its looking more realistic, and will certainly creep up in value with age.
All this talk of tail happy porkers; you wanna drive a 7+ litre cobra replica to understand tail happy...any 911 is the very model of composure in comparison!!!
Great write up, thanks
Steve
PHMatt said:
So if a Porsche 911 spins it's user error, but if a Skoda Fabia or Pug 205 spins, it's the cars fault?
There's many many factors that make a car spin from poor physics to user error. I have never spun a FWD car as it's just daft lifting right off mid bend.
I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
The easiest way to stop a tail happy car from spinning though of course is simply not to drive like a pleb.
In all cases it is driver error. There's many many factors that make a car spin from poor physics to user error. I have never spun a FWD car as it's just daft lifting right off mid bend.
I spun my Mr2 Turbo plenty of times, but only when it (incorrectly) had 215 width tyres front AND rear - put staggered tyres on and RWD cars are much more manageable.
The easiest way to stop a tail happy car from spinning though of course is simply not to drive like a pleb.
I lifted off mid-bend (just to make clear whilst driving a Skoda, not a 911) to avoid driving into the tool who decided to join the roundabout as I was going 'round it.
My point being that of all the cars I've owned, the 1.3 Skoda FELICIA (not a Fabia, but a Felicia Old Biddy Special) was a deathtrap. Which is what I said.
Also, my lovely lady used to drive the car, and I didn't want her getting caught out in it on a greasy or wet roundabout, like I had done. We bought the car for work, not for the Nurburgring/Tesco carpark challenge.
Presumably, you spun your MR2 ''plenty of times" because you didn't know what you were doing?
That is disturbing!
Edited by BlimeyCharlie on Tuesday 30th April 16:00
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