RE: Dealers confirmed for BMW i3 and i8
Discussion
[/quote]*Making the petrol engine derisory though just means they will be cheaper to buy. Can't wait to get my hands on a cheap 6 cylinder beauty myself, I'll won't hear the derision over that sweet engine note :-D
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As much as i like your line of thought, don't let other people know. Some lovely old V8's out there but i'm just waiting for them to get even cheaper. Great innit!? Shed man will be the fossil fuels swansong!
Electric vehicles are of great value for the environment when those are common in metropolitan areas: Some countries like Germany for instance are producing even now on certain days more electric power from renewable sources like wind and light that can't be used, mostly during nighttime. There are not enough measures to store this electric energy produced. Here the electric vehicles come in handy as those could use this energy during nighttime to charge their batteries.
UK will reduce power generated from coal and nuclear and invest heavily in windpower and photovoltaics. This will happen in the years to come. At least then every here on Pistonheads will see that the i3 makes a lot of sense.
The i3 is the perfect vehicle for cities like London, Paris, Berlin and other large cities.
UK will reduce power generated from coal and nuclear and invest heavily in windpower and photovoltaics. This will happen in the years to come. At least then every here on Pistonheads will see that the i3 makes a lot of sense.
The i3 is the perfect vehicle for cities like London, Paris, Berlin and other large cities.
Nick644 said:
I do think they're a bit irrelevant if you need a coal fired power station to provide electricity.
You said that earlier.. but thats like saying ipods are irrelevant if you need a coal fired powerstation to run them. It doesnt really matter where the electricity comes from.UNLESS you mean becuase coal fired powerstations emit CO2. Which is true, but as the source of emissions is now at the power station not the tail pipe you can capture them..l much more effective than dragging a trailer full of lime crytals aroud. with you. Or swap coal for nuclear, wind, solar , workhouses using unemployed people to pedal excercise bikes etc.
EVen without carbon capture Well to Wheel efficiency of burning black stuff to get motion energy is 30% improved with an EV.
Personally i dont want an electric car to avoid CO2 emissions, I more intersted in full torque from zero revs, a minimum of moving parts and being able to say Ive got one of these and you havent. If I had 100k Id be in BMWs target market for an i8.
Not interested in the i3 as I dont live in London, and dont do the right commute for it to work. But for someone doing say 60-80 miles a day it would be a no. brainer.
For me the range extender has to be the way to go until battery tech allows super fast charge and or 500 miles plus on one charge. I've had my Vauxhall Ampera for nearly two months now and have covered nearly 4000 miles. It's range is approx 360 miles on a full charge (circa £1.40) and 30 litres of fuel (circa £40). On my to and from journeys to work (20 mile commute) it's battery only and around 70 pence a day - result is I've saved nearly £1000 on fuel so far and relegated my 20mpg daily snotter to a weekend toy 
. Best of both worlds?
. Best of both worlds?The i3 is an interesting car for me. I live in central London and have garage and driveway. When in London no journey is more than a few miles.
On Fridays I need a car that will cover 75 miles. After that journey it wouldn't be needed again until Monday to do the same return.
Any longer journey and I wouldn't be using the small car anyway but something more relaxing.
So, this sort of car would genuinely fit my lifestyle perfectly. The cost seems punchy but replacing my current urban runabout with something equivalent but new and to the same spec wouldn't be much cheaper.
I'm guessing the £38k tag is already less the £5k State subsidy?
I like the Telsa Model S but it is too big for what I use the car for and other EVs at present are either too small or too spaccy. If this thing is the size of a 1 series and has a real range of 100+ then it's a real option for me.
On Fridays I need a car that will cover 75 miles. After that journey it wouldn't be needed again until Monday to do the same return.
Any longer journey and I wouldn't be using the small car anyway but something more relaxing.
So, this sort of car would genuinely fit my lifestyle perfectly. The cost seems punchy but replacing my current urban runabout with something equivalent but new and to the same spec wouldn't be much cheaper.
I'm guessing the £38k tag is already less the £5k State subsidy?
I like the Telsa Model S but it is too big for what I use the car for and other EVs at present are either too small or too spaccy. If this thing is the size of a 1 series and has a real range of 100+ then it's a real option for me.
greggy50 said:
Car is not designed for you though is it...
London will be flooded with I3 models pretty soon imo
Most people buy only one car which has to do everything! My point is that at £35k, I'd expect a car to do more than 140mls a day and I'm pretty damned sure most buyers in that sector will too. If BMW wants to crack the city car market, then build a small, CHEAP car. Electric power has a way to go before it's mass market, and introducing expensive ones, or ones that require buyers to " hire" batteries ain't gonna helpLondon will be flooded with I3 models pretty soon imo
edinph said:
Most people buy only one car which has to do everything! My point is that at £35k, I'd expect a car to do more than 140mls a day and I'm pretty damned sure most buyers in that sector will too. If BMW wants to crack the city car market, then build a small, CHEAP car. Electric power has a way to go before it's mass market, and introducing expensive ones, or ones that require buyers to " hire" batteries ain't gonna help
The car can do up to 200 miles with the range extending engine.£35k for a carbon fibre car is cheap.
Many premium OEM don't want to make cheap cars any more as the margins are just too tight. Believe it or not, but the world is full of relatively rich people with disposable income BMW are trying to take.
i8 looks just like an Audi R8 to me with bmw lights on the front (not a bad thing).
I would like to get an electric car at some point - but right now they still haven't got battery tech to the point that it will actually save owners money. If in a few years the range has dropped to half - then to need all batteries replaced a couple of years later (at a huge cost) - I would find I wouldn't actually save much money at all given the hassle.
And of course it goes without saying I'd still keep the TVR for weekends
I would like to get an electric car at some point - but right now they still haven't got battery tech to the point that it will actually save owners money. If in a few years the range has dropped to half - then to need all batteries replaced a couple of years later (at a huge cost) - I would find I wouldn't actually save much money at all given the hassle.
And of course it goes without saying I'd still keep the TVR for weekends
purpleperil said:
For me the range extender has to be the way to go until battery tech allows super fast charge and or 500 miles plus on one charge. I've had my Vauxhall Ampera for nearly two months now and have covered nearly 4000 miles. It's range is approx 360 miles on a full charge (circa £1.40) and 30 litres of fuel (circa £40). On my to and from journeys to work (20 mile commute) it's battery only and around 70 pence a day - result is I've saved nearly £1000 on fuel so far and relegated my 20mpg daily snotter to a weekend toy . Best of both worlds?
Stop talking sense man!! How dare you come on here, with your so called "actual" experience of running an electric car, and demonstrating the real world savings of £6000 per year!. Best of both worlds?edinph said:
Most people buy only one car which has to do everything! My point is that at £35k, I'd expect a car to do more than 140mls a day and I'm pretty damned sure most buyers in that sector will too. If BMW wants to crack the city car market, then build a small, CHEAP car. Electric power has a way to go before it's mass market, and introducing expensive ones, or ones that require buyers to " hire" batteries ain't gonna help
I suspect that many homes with driveways are running more than one car and the smaller of the two does local mileage. I don't think they are planning 1 Series rivalling vols.
I also don't think that much of the sales volume will be as a 'city' car. The real sales volume lies in suburbia not the city.
RemarkLima said:
purpleperil said:
For me the range extender has to be the way to go until battery tech allows super fast charge and or 500 miles plus on one charge. I've had my Vauxhall Ampera for nearly two months now and have covered nearly 4000 miles. It's range is approx 360 miles on a full charge (circa £1.40) and 30 litres of fuel (circa £40). On my to and from journeys to work (20 mile commute) it's battery only and around 70 pence a day - result is I've saved nearly £1000 on fuel so far and relegated my 20mpg daily snotter to a weekend toy . Best of both worlds?
Stop talking sense man!! How dare you come on here, with your so called "actual" experience of running an electric car, and demonstrating the real world savings of £6000 per year!. Best of both worlds?The Surveyor said:
Kings new clothes....
Intended for celebrity 'greens', iphone users and those with BMW blinkers. BMW got it right with their Hybrid 3 which is a cracking car, but come on, this is £100,000.00 FFS!
Paul
I don't think that's the case. It's a showcase for the new technology applied to a car that can be used on a day to day basis.Intended for celebrity 'greens', iphone users and those with BMW blinkers. BMW got it right with their Hybrid 3 which is a cracking car, but come on, this is £100,000.00 FFS!
Paul
Iirc, both the i3 and i8 are from scratch concepts (no platform sharing) from carbon fibre. 100k for a carbon fibre sports car isn't too shabby when compared to equivalents from other manufacturers.
DonkeyApple said:
What could actually be smart would be to have the range extender motor in a sealed and removable unit. That way you are not lugging the weight around all the time but can install it when you know you'll need it.
Haha - I think I'll live with the 'inefficiency' rather than having to pop back home first to pop in the long range motor every time I get a call from a client to go and see them 
purpleperil said:
DonkeyApple said:
What could actually be smart would be to have the range extender motor in a sealed and removable unit. That way you are not lugging the weight around all the time but can install it when you know you'll need it.
Haha - I think I'll live with the 'inefficiency' rather than having to pop back home first to pop in the long range motor every time I get a call from a client to go and see them Maybe a scooter on a treadmill on the roof?
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