RE: BMW 4 Series M Performance - pics!

[Amirhussain]

epom said:

I think that looks quite well tbh

+1, like the aggressiveness

[E38Ross]

I think it looks really quite nice except the carbon tat, have it in the body paint colour and it'd look much better in my opinion.

Estoril blue of course.

[rtz62]

The more i see BMWs latest models, the more I find myself looking at other makes catalogues.
Sack your designers and market analysts BMW, you are losing your customer base.

[skelters]

NGK210 said:

Arghh, what is about the 3-/4-series's 'face'? I can't put my finger on it, but it looks like a peeved, droopy-faced predator-type fish - maybe it's the headlamps, which have that 'dead' look that's similar to a shark's eyes?

Where did you get the pic of the new 2 Series?

[mrclav]

rtz62 said:

you are losing your customer base.

How sure are you about that fella?

[Amirhussain]

mrclav said:

rtz62 said:

you are losing your customer base.

How sure are you about that fella?

This is PH, people know more about business and design here then some of the top car makers in the world.

[m44kts]

Am I missing something here, isn't it just a 3 series coupé with the '3' removed and a '4' stuck in it's place or is it actually a larger car than a normal 3 series coupé?

[Amirhussain]

m44kts said:

Am I missing something here, isn't it just a 3 series coupé with the '3' removed and a '4' stuck in it's place

M4 concept to be unveiled in August, according to bimmerpost

[E38Ross]

mrclav said:

rtz62 said:

you are losing your customer base.

How sure are you about that fella?

because they've only just posted record sales for the start of 2013

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/08/bmw...

and for the last few years their sales have been increasing each year
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818...

sounds like they are GAINING customer base than losing it. rtz62 - where did you get your figures from to come to that conclusion?

[Lowtimer]

You misunderstand, E38Ross.

On PH, "BMW / Mercedes / Porsche / insert name here are losing their customer base" translates directly to "I don't like it".

To be fair, I've done exactly the same thing on a number of occasions.
e.g. when complaining on the themes of:
- Why are all Jags automatic and ten feet wide?
- Why is every new car twice the size of the one it replaces?
- Why can't we have sensible sized wheels again?
- Why are all new Porsches ugly?
- Call that a 5-series? Bring back the E39
... and so on.

So I can understand RTZ62's sentiment even if the actual sales numbers seem to prove me wrong pretty much every time I feel this way.

[mrclav]

E38Ross said:

mrclav said:

rtz62 said:

you are losing your customer base.

How sure are you about that fella?

because they've only just posted record sales for the start of 2013

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/08/bmw...

and for the last few years their sales have been increasing each year
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818...

sounds like they are GAINING customer base than losing it. rtz62 - where did you get your figures from to come to that conclusion?

Thanks for doing the research - you've comprehensively proved my point!

[Amirhussain]

E38Ross said:

mrclav said:

rtz62 said:

you are losing your customer base.

How sure are you about that fella?

because they've only just posted record sales for the start of 2013

http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2013/jul/08/bmw...

and for the last few years their sales have been increasing each year
http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=818...

sounds like they are GAINING customer base than losing it. rtz62 - where did you get your figures from to come to that conclusion?

Didn't know the BMW X1 & X6 were THAT much of a success for BMW.

[kambites]

They sell damned nearly as many SUVs as four-door saloons these days.

Painfully few Z4s, you can see why they didn't bother with an 'M'.

[Wills2]

Amirhussain said:

Didn't know the BMW X1 & X6 were THAT much of a success for BMW.

X1 and X6 have been a massive success for them as an example they sold 30,000 X1's in the first qtr of 2013.


The market isn't just the UK.

Edited by Wills2 on Monday 22 July 20:16

[E38Ross]

kambites said:

They sell damned nearly as many SUVs as four-door saloons these days.

Painfully few Z4s, you can see why they didn't bother with an 'M'.

they sold more X5M and X6M cars than they did the old Z4M, as crazy as that sounds. i personally find it a crying shame but at the end of the day they're a business. If i were a major shareholder.....then i'd want them to make whatever made the most money.....

[Wudee]

Too many 'design' features. Like the fake diffusers and airvents in front fender... Will age terrible this car

[EK993]

rtz62 said:

The more i see BMWs latest models, the more I find myself looking at other makes catalogues.
Sack your designers and market analysts BMW, you are losing your customer base.

Well as they have just announced record sales I guess losing their existing customer base isn't such a bad thing. Their new customer base is buying even more of their cars.

[EK993]

Lowtimer said:

You misunderstand, E38Ross.

On PH, "BMW / Mercedes / Porsche / insert name here are losing their customer base" translates directly to "I don't like it".

To be fair, I've done exactly the same thing on a number of occasions.
e.g. when complaining on the themes of:
- Why are all Jags automatic and ten feet wide?
- Why is every new car twice the size of the one it replaces?
- Why can't we have sensible sized wheels again?
- Why are all new Porsches ugly?
- Call that a 5-series? Bring back the E39
... and so on.

So I can understand RTZ62's sentiment even if the actual sales numbers seem to prove me wrong pretty much every time I feel this way.

Here is another one. Whenever a car manufacturer announces their car is going to be flappy paddles only members here announce how foolish this is and that they aren't going to sell any if they don't offer a manual option. The stats below are for M3 DCT v manual gearbox sales figures. If you were the manufacturer would you be worried about sales collapsing by dropping the manual version?

[kambites]

Does anyone ever say they wont sell because they're automatic? There's a big difference between lamenting the death of the manual and believing that it's a bad business decision to ditch it.

[EK993]

kambites said:

Does anyone ever say they wont sell because they're automatic? There's a big difference between lamenting the death of the manual and believing that it's a bad business decision to ditch it.

Yes I have seen threads on here that the manufacturer won't sell any of XYZ model as they are ditching manual gearboxes.