RE: BMW 4 Series M Performance - pics!
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EK993 said:
Here is another one. Whenever a car manufacturer announces their car is going to be flappy paddles only members here announce how foolish this is and that they aren't going to sell any if they don't offer a manual option. The stats below are for M3 DCT v manual gearbox sales figures. If you were the manufacturer would you be worried about sales collapsing by dropping the manual version?
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t,j90gta said:
Guten tag. Ich heisse Barry und ich komme von Essex! Hier ist mein auto. Es geht sehr schnell. Alle die schnellmachenteile hab ich in Halfords gekauft! Apologies for my poor German but I think you get the drift. That is absolutely horrid. Let's stick some bits of carbon fibre on it and hope the mugs will part with their hard-earned cash for the privilege. Don't know what they are thinking about. Just stick to the mechanical modifications please!!!
I doubt it, there are many new cars still being customised, pimped or whatever you want to call it. BMW is just jumping on the bandwagon like many other mainstream manufacturers are doing. Simple Greed to make more profit.
matrignano said:
BMW are obviously trying to tap into the large tuning market that exists for BMW cars, rather than letting only others profit from it.
What BMW don't appear to understand, is that most tuned BMWs are not current generation models, but mostly the older versions which tend to be acquired (to a greater extent) by people of less savoury backgrounds, and who might be more prone to modifying their vehicles with such addenda that BMW wants to be selling.
From my observations, people who tune current gen models tend to do it properly and go for the high-end, full on upgrades/conversions offered by the likes of AC Schnitzer, Hartge, G-Power etc. Or they just buy an M-car or an Alpina.
I can't help but feel that BMW are wasting time and money on this one...
What BMW don't appear to understand, is that most tuned BMWs are not current generation models, but mostly the older versions which tend to be acquired (to a greater extent) by people of less savoury backgrounds, and who might be more prone to modifying their vehicles with such addenda that BMW wants to be selling.
From my observations, people who tune current gen models tend to do it properly and go for the high-end, full on upgrades/conversions offered by the likes of AC Schnitzer, Hartge, G-Power etc. Or they just buy an M-car or an Alpina.
I can't help but feel that BMW are wasting time and money on this one...
Yeah, more of the PH second hand customer base. They couldnt give a st to be honest as most PH people wont even buy new, as their too busy comparing how many used E46 M3's they can get for the price of the M4 and still have change etc.
you are losing your customer base.
t to be honest as most PH people wont even buy new, as their too busy comparing how many used E46 M3's they can get for the price of the M4 and still have change etc.mrclav said:
How sure are you about that fella?
rtz62 said:you are losing your customer base.
Lowtimer said:
On PH, "BMW / Mercedes / Porsche / insert name here are losing their customer base" translates directly to "I don't like it". and other stuff
Car makers don't care what you, him or anyone else likes or dislikes as long as they make money. Supply the customer base with what it wants=More sales=More money. People on here really seem to not get this. Or maybe they just don't want to? Times and tastes change - luddites can complain all they like but it doesn't matter 'cos they'll be left behind while the rest of the world just simply... Gets on with it.
kambites said:
Does anyone ever say they wont sell because they're automatic? There's a big difference between lamenting the death of the manual and believing that it's a bad business decision to ditch it.
New buyers might not care about manual, but I think the 2nd/3rd owners who buy them because they are decent enough driving cars will look for manuals and those owners who bought a manual one will enjoy better residuals through higher demand.I can imagine the E9x M3's for example will be sought after in manual form probably by the inverse sales ratio of the initial sales numbers for auto vs manual.
No figures to back this up but I assume the demographic for used owners does change quite dramatically vs new owners for these types of cars especially.
Dave
Carnnoisseur said:
Esseesse said:
Much better with the sport bumpers without the carbon tat.
I think that looks really well. Is that a metallic variant of seca blue from the old E46 M3? Really suits the lines....Mr Whippy said:
kambites said:
Does anyone ever say they wont sell because they're automatic? There's a big difference between lamenting the death of the manual and believing that it's a bad business decision to ditch it.
New buyers might not care about manual, but I think the 2nd/3rd owners who buy them because they are decent enough driving cars will look for manuals and those owners who bought a manual one will enjoy better residuals through higher demand.I can imagine the E9x M3's for example will be sought after in manual form probably by the inverse sales ratio of the initial sales numbers for auto vs manual.
No figures to back this up but I assume the demographic for used owners does change quite dramatically vs new owners for these types of cars especially.
Dave
j90gta said:
Guten tag. Ich heisse Barry und ich komme von Essex! Hier ist mein auto. Es geht sehr schnell. Alle die schnellmachenteile hab ich in Halfords gekauft! Apologies for my poor German but I think you get the drift. That is absolutely horrid. Let's stick some bits of carbon fibre on it and hope the mugs will part with their hard-earned cash for the privilege. Don't know what they are thinking about. Just stick to the mechanical modifications please!!!
Agree the body mods are foul, but have a look at suspension/brakes before you write off the mechanicals...havent driven it but the one i saw parked at work had a serious set of brakes on it, and it wasnt an M4...jamespink said:
Looked through the BMW official go faster parts catalog, individually some pretty pieces of carbon but the withering prices, dubious performance benefit and the ease with which you can turn your beloved BM into a Max Power parody make it all seem a touch naff. Given the ease with which they could sell really upgraded performance parts, the timid offerings don't appeal to this owner.
They will appeal to their target market though. I wonder if large, ever expanding countries with money to burn could be coaxed into paying 20k over list for a barry boys special. Maybe if they had no taste. Wait....Edited by German on Tuesday 23 July 11:20
kambites said:
Mr Whippy said:
kambites said:
Does anyone ever say they wont sell because they're automatic? There's a big difference between lamenting the death of the manual and believing that it's a bad business decision to ditch it.
New buyers might not care about manual, but I think the 2nd/3rd owners who buy them because they are decent enough driving cars will look for manuals and those owners who bought a manual one will enjoy better residuals through higher demand.I can imagine the E9x M3's for example will be sought after in manual form probably by the inverse sales ratio of the initial sales numbers for auto vs manual.
No figures to back this up but I assume the demographic for used owners does change quite dramatically vs new owners for these types of cars especially.
Dave
It does make you wonder though when people are speccing options for resale (which many probably do) they consider the gearbox at all.
It'll be interesting to note over the coming 5 years if people buying sports type cars start to consider manuals more because their residual performance is better due to higher demand...
Only time will tell what happens but given the choices for used car 'toys' I'd be picking manuals all day long if they were available.
Only in special case cars like M3 CSL/F360CS etc would I plump for the automatic only models but only because they are done right in all the other areas (which many automatic only cars are not!)
Dave
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