BBR tweaks Mazda diesels

[Axionknight]

MrTappets said:

I have a strange urge to purchase a grey 3 with small wheels all of a sudden.

Just buy a Mk1 MPS, take the badges off, hide the exhaust and stick it on steel wheels,

[Andy ap]

I thought that was impressive until i saw the price!

[tankplanker]

Alfa159Ti said:

In my experience remapping diesels just destroys clutches and DMFs, despite the remappers rhetoric of 'smooth power delivery, safe torque levels, kinder than a tuning box' etc etc.

Yup. No idea what the clutch will take on the Mazda but on the clutch paired up with the VW family's 1.9 TDI it'll take between 180 and 190 BHP before it starts noticeably slipping. I would also think that upgraded brakes would be essential, hopefully the MPS brakes and after market upgrades would bolt straight on. Finally how big is the intercooler on this? Too small an intercooler and it'll be well down on power on warm days.

[wildcat45]

I like the idea of the CX-7 oil burning with a bit of poke. I miss my petrol CX.

[Scottie - NW]

So, the Pistonheads news...

...BBR charges £600 for a diesel remap.

The 3 Sport 185 is a cracking car, my brother has one, it's fun to drive and quick, handles very well.

But £600 for a remap...

[exceed]

I thought the price was cheap for the performance and installation of a hybrid turbo.

I'll agree £600 for just a remap is rather a lot though!

[80quattro]

dazsmith69 said:

There are more tuning companies that tune Mazdas than BBR Pistonheads.

Don't understand why its just them that get your press?

Probably because BBR are one of the most well known car tuners in the UK, and the news is also historically significant, as BBR turbocharged the MK1 MX5 in the early 90's.
Also, Dave Brodie personally had a reasonable stake in the success of the Sierra Cosworth.

[MiseryStreak]

I'm now looking at the Mazda6 Sport for my next family dog-wagon. They look very good value at around £8,000 for an average mileage 2010 model. Are there any known problems/things to look out for with Mazda 6's?

[dukebox9reg]

tankplanker said:

Alfa159Ti said:

In my experience remapping diesels just destroys clutches and DMFs, despite the remappers rhetoric of 'smooth power delivery, safe torque levels, kinder than a tuning box' etc etc.

Yup. No idea what the clutch will take on the Mazda but on the clutch paired up with the VW family's 1.9 TDI it'll take between 180 and 190 BHP before it starts noticeably slipping. I would also think that upgraded brakes would be essential, hopefully the MPS brakes and after market upgrades would bolt straight on. Finally how big is the intercooler on this? Too small an intercooler and it'll be well down on power on warm days.

The intercooler isnt as important on a derv compared to a petrol for its power. Would say most standard derv intercoolers are easily up to phase 2 tunes and beyond nowadays. Hardly know of any Leon (phase 2 170PD and CR) phase 2 tuned diesels that have bothered with an uprated I/C. DPF's, DMF's and injectors not so as any VAG 2.0 TDI 170 owners will attest to.

[kingofdbrits]

seefarr said:

390 lb/ft of torque must make a mess of those front tires in a hurry. What a hoot!

A phrase I never thought I would type:

"goes to check classifieds for diesel Mazda 3"

Not really, my MPS has 391 lb/ft and at 63k miles im on my 3rd set of fronts. The Traction control mops up my poor driving and stops the tyre shredding, though you can turn it off, which is properly off, should you wish.

[steveb8189]

So, to summarise..

Both show good results

Stage 1 is expensive
Stage 2 is cheap (until you have to splash out on a new clutch)

[Gilhooligan]

That sounds quite ridiculous... ly awesome.
Have they got the rust issues sorted yet though with the new models? It seems every 3 or 6 I look at that's more than 5 years old had brown wheel arches.

[hornetrider]

Have I read that Mazda diesels suffer a lot of expensive DPF issues?

[tankplanker]

dukebox9reg said:

The intercooler isnt as important on a derv compared to a petrol for its power. Would say most standard derv intercoolers are easily up to phase 2 tunes and beyond nowadays. Hardly know of any Leon (phase 2 170PD and CR) phase 2 tuned diesels that have bothered with an uprated I/C. DPF's, DMF's and injectors not so as any VAG 2.0 TDI 170 owners will attest to.

I'd be interesting in sticking them on a rolling road at the moment, I bet they are noticeably down on power in this weather if they are making 240+ BHP. I come from the Mk1 Fabia scene, uprated ICs are more common as we get a tiny side mounted IC that isn't really adequate in warm weather with a 170/180 BHP remap. The same age derv Ibiza comes with a larger center mount IC so is better placed to take more power although I'd question if it can cope in hot weather that much north of 240 BHP.

You can get away with the standard injectors on a 1.9 TDI up to around 260 BHP but you'll have a very long inject cycle, personally I wouldn't risk that amount of power on standard if you are going to use it regularly.

The 2.0 TDI is a different beast as its common rail, and outside my area of knowledge so my comments don't apply to that.

[Ali_T]

And the wife's CX7 is now out of warranty......wonder if she'd notice....

[dukebox9reg]

tankplanker said:

dukebox9reg said:

The intercooler isnt as important on a derv compared to a petrol for its power. Would say most standard derv intercoolers are easily up to phase 2 tunes and beyond nowadays. Hardly know of any Leon (phase 2 170PD and CR) phase 2 tuned diesels that have bothered with an uprated I/C. DPF's, DMF's and injectors not so as any VAG 2.0 TDI 170 owners will attest to.

I'd be interesting in sticking them on a rolling road at the moment, I bet they are noticeably down on power in this weather if they are making 240+ BHP. I come from the Mk1 Fabia scene, uprated ICs are more common as we get a tiny side mounted IC that isn't really adequate in warm weather with a 170/180 BHP remap. The same age derv Ibiza comes with a larger center mount IC so is better placed to take more power although I'd question if it can cope in hot weather that much north of 240 BHP.

You can get away with the standard injectors on a 1.9 TDI up to around 260 BHP but you'll have a very long inject cycle, personally I wouldn't risk that amount of power on standard if you are going to use it regularly.


The 2.0 TDI is a different beast as its common rail, and outside my area of knowledge so my comments don't apply to that.

Well I'll change my comment to front mount I/C's. I know they do get moved around on alot of the 1.9s.

Mk2 Leons with 240bhp are quite happy with their standard I/C though I agree there may be a bit of power loss in this heat but thats to be expected.

Remember until recently the 2.0TDI's where still PD's rather than CR

[ArsE92]

Soupie69uk said:

Not normally my cup of tea SUV's but the CX7 is pretty good looking car to me.

If I needed a family car I would have a serious look at them as for £15k you can get a decent one. Then add £1200 for the stage 2 and that would keep me interested in it.

Or just buy an 08-plate petrol one with the MPS engine for £7.5k. 256bhp out of the box.

[hornetrider]

ArsE92 said:

Or just buy an 08-plate petrol one with the MPS engine for £7.5k. 256bhp out of the box.

And £500 a year in tax

[Cupradan]

hornetrider said:

And £500 a year in tax

Gulp!

[ArsE92]

hornetrider said:

ArsE92 said:

Or just buy an 08-plate petrol one with the MPS engine for £7.5k. 256bhp out of the box.

And £500 a year in tax

That's £300 or so a year more than the diesel for VED. Yet the diesel costs £7000 more to buy.

The diesel does 37MPG. The petrol 27MPG.

I'd much rather have the petrol!