RE: BMW i3 prices confirmed

[scenario8]

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[chrisw666]

E38Ross said:

Odd argument considering the diesel option is cheaper than electric. You said you'd have this plus an M3 instead of just a diesel. What about a diesel and an M3 though?

Purely personal opinion not an argument, but until recently I was considering a diesel (330d) as my next proper car, but I just don't think I could live with a diesel boat anchor that wasn't strapped into a van.

I like the idea of the newer electric cars and I'd like the ease of running one (little servicing, no fill ups, few levels to check etc).

It's nothing to do with cost more the idle musings of a if money didn't matter scenario. Life is way to short to run every decision through a spreadsheet.

Edited by chrisw666 on Wednesday 24th July 16:00

[Hellbound]

After 240 votes it's achieved a score of...... 1.19.

Pretty much sums up Pistonheads really.

[Luke.]

Hellbound said:

After 240 votes it's achieved a score of...... 1.19.

Pretty much sums up Pistonheads really.

Goes to show how many plebs are on the site these days.

[paranoid airbag]

aarondbs said:

V8 FOU said:

Aaron W said:

they obviously make money thats the point but it isnt just about money its about fun besides if you would rather drive an electric car than a real car why are you on pistonheads the guardian is out there too

Perhaps you should read The Guardian. It may help you to learn to use capitals and punctuation. Possibly, you may see how to construct properly reasoned arguments too.

Or don't they have The Guardian in the school library these days?

Don't you just hate it when someone of the same (rare) name makes things difficult for themselves and you feel a need to post just so that it doesn't rub off on oneself..

Poor show Aaron. Whatever one thinks of the i3, reverting to politically naïve, poorly written and poorly reasoned arguments is a sure fire way to make one look like an arse...

I think this i3 has some excellent points. My only problem with all electric vehicles is that my office is 30 miles from home and I use my car to drive to S. of France once or twice a year plus an additional 20K per annum. Even my wife works 22 miles from home plus shuffling two kids here and there. When they overcome range issues then maybe they would be worth a look.

Aaron is right about aaron being wrong

It does bother me that someone can think such statements would have any effect expect to piss people off. "Ooh look, someone with an apparent allergy to full stops says global warming is a pile of crap. I'm sure he must have some intelligent insight, I best listen"

I'm impressed by the pricing (and the car, aside from the tyres that were apparently nicked off a mountain bike judging by their width), which is a rare thing to say. Although I suspect another £5k less would be necessary to actually be a realistic proposition for people not obsessed with showing off eco-credentials.

[kambites]

Unfortunately, the PH meters are very easy to abuse. You often see 100 zero or ten votes appear within a few seconds of each other.

[r11co]

Clap clap BMW. Exploiting an artificially created market (£5k government subsidy says it all). Well done, but spot the idiots who will buy in to this claptrap.

For once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)

[Emeye]

Luke. said:

Hellbound said:

After 240 votes it's achieved a score of...... 1.19.

Pretty much sums up Pistonheads really.

Goes to show how many plebs are on the site these days.

Pistonheads members in not liking electric car shocker.

Personally I think while impressive tech, they are overpriced and pointless for the majority of people, but will appeal to the pretentious Prius brigade.

[tercelgold]

I wonder how you look after the exposed carbon fiber, it says the whole shell is made of it and exposed in places. Audi caused concern over aluminium insurance repairs when they first came out pure ally.

[E38Ross]

The carbon will most likely be coated with a lacquer but even so looking after it will be no harder than looking after paint.

Cars have had exposed carbon for years now with no ill effects. My road bike (pedal) has exposed carbon on it and, admittedly it's only done around 6-7k miles, is still absolutely fine.

[AnotherClarkey]

I really like it but to be honest for all the interesting technology it doesn't seem any more capable than the Leaf or Zoe. Is it a case that more people can accept an electric car when it is made by BMW?

I will certainly be popping along for test drive and may well take the plunge. Putting any notion of 'saving the planet' to one side for a moment I suspect this is going to great to drive. Nicely balanced, 168hp, abundant torque, 0-60 in 7.2 seconds, relatively light and with skinny tyres - sounds good to me.

[McWigglebum4th]

E38Ross said:

chrisw666 said:

I like that electric cars are becoming more popular, as city/short trip utility cars they make a lot of sense.

I'd certainly rather own an i3 for daily use and have an M3 for weekend/long range jaunts than compromise and run the diesel 3 series that I don't really want for everything.

Odd argument considering the diesel option is cheaper than electric. You said you'd have this plus an M3 instead of just a diesel. What about a diesel and an M3 though?

I think an i3 will be less hassle then a diesel.

But then again i'm one of the 0.1% of the population with a driveway and a commute of under 100miles

[HighwayStar]

r11co said:

Clap clap BMW. Exploiting an artificially created market (£5k government subsidy says it all). Well done, but spot the idiots who will buy in to this claptrap.

For once and for all - electric cars are not environmentally sound. They simply move the problem elsewhere and satisfy the NIMBY element of the environmental brigade (ie. the hypocritical majority of them...)

Well it is how a lot of innovation is encouraged! Nothing new really, incentives for investment. The i3 hasn't be created to sell in the uk alone based on a UK subsidy! The car is being sold in many markets where there maybe similar subsidies on offer.
You'd be happy to be stuck in say, 1904, steam trains, and everything from that time. No one is forcing anyone to buy one. You don't like or have no interest, you move along. Simples

The i3 appears to be the next step for EV's, it may not be quite THEE REAL DEAL but something this well thought through would've been a dream 15yrs ago. People saying it should better, cheaper etc only have to look at what they're getting from conventional cars now. High performance family cars with economy and decent handling for 23k!
EV's will progress as investment and innovation brings better tech.

[crofty1984]

kambites said:

Aaron W said:

kambites said:

Even if that were true, that would result in driving a 116d... no thanks.

the 116d is a CAR not a money making scheme like the crap here

You think BMW don't make money out of the 1-series?

I can't make up my mind whether you're a troll or an idiot.

My money's on idiot.

[Haggleburyfinius]

I'd love one of these.

Problem is I am a target, city dweller but my building has zero charge points and probably never will do either.

My office or other places of work, despite being also in the city, have no parking so no charge points.

It's really frustrating as from what I am reading it may be financially sound to run a company car for the first time in about a decade.

[Stewiegriffin]

Haggleburyfinius said:

I'd love one of these.

Problem is I am a target, city dweller but my building has zero charge points and probably never will do either.

My office or other places of work, despite being also in the city, have no parking so no charge points.

It's really frustrating as from what I am reading it may be financially sound to run a company car for the first time in about a decade.

Just because your parking it that doesn't mean you have to charge it. The innovation 3 has a range of over 80 miles on the full charge so based on that "most" people will only have to charge every other day. Something I have not seen mentioned yet is that there is also a subsidy on fast charging points you can have fitted at home which I appreciate is only convenient if you have a driveway.

I love these cars and if all goes to plan I will have one.

[kambites]

AnotherClarkey said:

I really like it but to be honest for all the interesting technology it doesn't seem any more capable than the Leaf or Zoe. Is it a case that more people can accept an electric car when it is made by BMW?

The ranger extender version will be the more interesting car, I think.

[Haggleburyfinius]

Stewiegriffin said:

Just because your parking it that doesn't mean you have to charge it. The innovation 3 has a range of over 80 miles on the full charge so based on that "most" people will only have to charge every other day. Something I have not seen mentioned yet is that there is also a subsidy on fast charging points you can have fitted at home which I appreciate is only convenient if you have a driveway.

I love these cars and if all goes to plan I will have one.

I'll have to charge it at some point though.

Which is currently impossible.

[Stewiegriffin]

Haggleburyfinius said:

I'll have to charge it at some point though.

Which is currently impossible.

Indeed and I can see the problem if there is no chance at home. You can charge using 240V plug though

[AnotherClarkey]

kambites said:

The ranger extender version will be the more interesting car, I think.

True, but a part of me would be irritated by the thought that I was wasting all that carbonfibre and aluminium loveliness by constantly lugging around an entire genset 'just in case'. Still, it would be very hard option to overlook when signing on the dotted line.