RE: BMW i3 prices confirmed
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Aaron W said:
no im not a gordon brown loving asshole i have a mind of my own and know if you look into shale oil you would see it is the future my bentley gt supersport is better than the crap electric thing here
Yes, of course you have one of those.Troll or idiot, please move on and take your narrow minded views with you.
MrTickle said:
£369 / month with £3K down and zero BIK!
Shy of £16K for the 3 years.
Equiv. to £3129 / year net for a 40% tax payer.
No congestion charges, minimal running costs, no worries about battery life as leased - seems quite a serious city car for people in London!
Totally agree - I'm seriously considering one. Also, if you get (or have) solar panels, presumably it's free to run apart from insurance. The battery is guaranteed for 10 years or 100k miles, so there are no worries there either. I asked about performance degradation over time and apparently in the 1 series active E and Mini E that BMW have been trialling this hasn't been an issue.Shy of £16K for the 3 years.
Equiv. to £3129 / year net for a 40% tax payer.
No congestion charges, minimal running costs, no worries about battery life as leased - seems quite a serious city car for people in London!
We'd only need to do 20 miles or so a day, so well within the overall range. Factor in the savings from fuel and time spent faffing around at petrol stations and surely you're onto a winner! I think this is a nigh-on perfect second car - they'll sell tons of them. It looks like BMW have decided to make the car fun to drive too and 0-62MPH in 7.2s is pretty brisk - way faster than the 116d that some were suggesting is an alternative (it isn't).
Good comments FUNK, the total cost of producing running and disposing of electric vehicles are huge not only in cost but also the green credentials re CO emmissions etc. the cost of producing electricity is only going up, and these cars may be fine for the city centres where people live and work but not sure for the commuters.
Also why do they not have solar panels on the roofs as this would be free charging?
And with the government currenlty using TAX payers money for a £5000 electric car grant, surely BMW RENault etc are increasing their new car prices as this grant is allowable and giving the manufacturers profit??
The whole GREEN issue is a massive bulls
t entity and IMHO electric are not and hhave never been the way forward.
Also why do they not have solar panels on the roofs as this would be free charging?
And with the government currenlty using TAX payers money for a £5000 electric car grant, surely BMW RENault etc are increasing their new car prices as this grant is allowable and giving the manufacturers profit??
The whole GREEN issue is a massive bulls
t entity and IMHO electric are not and hhave never been the way forward. Aaron W said:
no im not a gordon brown loving asshole i have a mind of my own and know if you look into shale oil you would see it is the future my bentley gt supersport is better than the crap electric thing here
Isn't it remarkable that people without the slightest hint of an ability to use commas, full stops and capital letters always seem to own incredibly expensive cars? Clearly they've got one of those jobs that pays £250k, but has absolutely no requirement for the most basic of communication skills. And keeps them particularly busy during term times....
MrTickle said:
£369 / month with £3K down and zero BIK!
Shy of £16K for the 3 years.
Equiv. to £3129 / year net for a 40% tax payer.
No congestion charges, minimal running costs, no worries about battery life as leased - seems quite a serious city car for people in London!
My thoughts exactlyShy of £16K for the 3 years.
Equiv. to £3129 / year net for a 40% tax payer.
No congestion charges, minimal running costs, no worries about battery life as leased - seems quite a serious city car for people in London!
I am also doing a lot of small short run in my car, and getting about 180 miles to £80 a week. For the cost of the fuel alone i would be ££ in...
I will be seriously considering one of these I think
First decent stab at a credible EV in my opinion, something vaguely desirable at least but I suspect for most the small saving made in petrol and tax cost is vastly outweighed by the loss of practicality due to charging and range concerns.
Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
Al 450 said:
First decent stab at a credible EV in my opinion, something vaguely desirable at least but I suspect for most the small saving made in petrol and tax cost is vastly outweighed by the loss of practicality due to charging and range concerns.
Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
I agree with this. As with all things our infrastructure will not handle the load. Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
MrGeoff said:
Al 450 said:
First decent stab at a credible EV in my opinion, something vaguely desirable at least but I suspect for most the small saving made in petrol and tax cost is vastly outweighed by the loss of practicality due to charging and range concerns.
Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
I agree with this. As with all things our infrastructure will not handle the load. Also only three slight issues with the EV plan. 1) Our infrastructure can't support more than about two EV's fast charging at once in most streets and 2) The very people targeted by these cars (i.e City dwellers) are not going to have off-street parking and the ability to charge the thing plus 3) You'd have to be mad to commit to a car that is guaranteed to need a £3-5k component replaced every 5 years.
I suspect that in 20 years time we will look back on pure electric cars as an evolutionary dead-end because we will all be driving super efficient petrols or fuel cell cars.
Ya digg?
They are getting there but it's still quite expensive.
Contract is 8000 miles a year for 369pm plus 3k.
If it costs £3 a day to charge as mentioned earlier that's about £1000/year.
8000miles of fuel at, say 40 mpg, is about £1300/year. So only £25/month more.
How much does a smallish conventional car cost to lease over 3 years / 8000 miles a year? Not £344 (369-25) plus £3000 I wouldn't have thought.... I am obviously talking private buyers here, not company 40% tax pyer benefits etc etc.
Contract is 8000 miles a year for 369pm plus 3k.
If it costs £3 a day to charge as mentioned earlier that's about £1000/year.
8000miles of fuel at, say 40 mpg, is about £1300/year. So only £25/month more.
How much does a smallish conventional car cost to lease over 3 years / 8000 miles a year? Not £344 (369-25) plus £3000 I wouldn't have thought.... I am obviously talking private buyers here, not company 40% tax pyer benefits etc etc.
Aaron W said:
Chicane-UK said:
I'm sick of this narrow minded, "my way or the highway" attitude towards electric cars. You're going to need to deal with the fact that plenty of people (even here on this enthusiasts forum) find the technology fascinating. I love driving powerful petrol cars but am all for this electric tech and can't wait to have a go at driving something like this.
I don't see why both can't co-exist.
And BTW - 7 posts in 7 months and you only spring up to rail against electric tech and promote shale oil? Do you work for Shell or something?!
no im not a gordon brown loving asshole i have a mind of my own and know if you look into shale oil you would see it is the future my bentley gt supersport is better than the crap electric thing hereI don't see why both can't co-exist.
And BTW - 7 posts in 7 months and you only spring up to rail against electric tech and promote shale oil? Do you work for Shell or something?!
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