RE: Aston and AMG: it's official!
Discussion
Excellent news imho, I have been lucky enough to have driven both an Aston Dbs & AMG Cl63 on a number of occasions.
I had never been a fan of Astons before my drive as i thought they were always style over substance, but after four days of driving it i really warmed to it, I didn't have that aching desire for one like I would an old 911, but it was a fantastic sounding, looking car. But compared to the Cl63 it lacked grunt, just didn't feel like it had 510hp, plus the chassis was.....um?
Lively to say the least but then i found that endearing, a bit like an over engined ford capri 
As for engine sounds? The V12 sounds amazing especialy when it crackles & pops on the over run And so does the Cl63 (although the one i borrowed has almost strait through pipes with cat delete
)
My only concern would be if they went the turbo route as i haven't driven a std turbo car yet that sounded as good.
I for one think Astons future looks bright.
I had never been a fan of Astons before my drive as i thought they were always style over substance, but after four days of driving it i really warmed to it, I didn't have that aching desire for one like I would an old 911, but it was a fantastic sounding, looking car. But compared to the Cl63 it lacked grunt, just didn't feel like it had 510hp, plus the chassis was.....um?
Lively to say the least but then i found that endearing, a bit like an over engined ford capri As for engine sounds? The V12 sounds amazing especialy when it crackles & pops on the over run And so does the Cl63 (although the one i borrowed has almost strait through pipes with cat delete
)My only concern would be if they went the turbo route as i haven't driven a std turbo car yet that sounded as good.
I for one think Astons future looks bright.
toppstuff said:
Personally, I have'nt thought of engines as really being a weak point of Aston. Of course, there is the future to consider and I am sure that the current Aston V8 and V12's are not really cutting edge in terms of technology, but they do a great job IMO. In other words, I am not sure an AMG engined Aston would be any nicer to drive than the current engined cars.
What is more important IMO is chassis and platforms. This is where Aston are looking a bit old IMO.
With the engine in safe hands they can focus their energy into exactly that!What is more important IMO is chassis and platforms. This is where Aston are looking a bit old IMO.
I already have 2 cars with muscular V8s :/. I guess a pre-owned DBS will be my last chance to find a high-revving naturally aspirated V12 in the future.
I loved the "development" years of turbocharging in the '80s but feel all the current engines are too "sterilized". I'm in it for the sound. Compare a Zonda with a Hyuara.
The future looks bland and aurally unsatisfying...
I loved the "development" years of turbocharging in the '80s but feel all the current engines are too "sterilized". I'm in it for the sound. Compare a Zonda with a Hyuara.
The future looks bland and aurally unsatisfying...
Wammer said:
I reckon i know what AMG is going to get out of the deal by looking at these spy photos of the new SLC.
Do recognise any similarities too another car? Have a closer look.
That back end is almost definately a V8 Vantage so i wonder if there is something going on there.
Not so sure. The SLC has been in development for a very long time so I'd be surprised if it has any Aston DNA. That being said, the SLC needs to me more than just a mini-me SLS so you could very well be right.Do recognise any similarities too another car? Have a closer look.
That back end is almost definately a V8 Vantage so i wonder if there is something going on there.
Either way, I'm very interested to see the SLC in the flesh and very excited about Astons with AMG power-trains.
The future is bright!
JMC1 said:
So tell me how does McLaren have their own engine which is developed and built by Ricardo cost effectively enough to sell a car at £170,000 in relatively small numbers and sell all around the world.
If McLaren can afford this why can not Aston. For me using AMG engines might make for a nice package but it is a step back whilst McLaren are moving forward.
I have not heard anyone say the McLaren engine is rubbish they should have put a Merc or BMW engine in it instead it adds to the pedigree and saleability of the McLaren as they are meeting Ferrari square on.
Ricardo developed from the Nissan race engine - not from scratchIf McLaren can afford this why can not Aston. For me using AMG engines might make for a nice package but it is a step back whilst McLaren are moving forward.
I have not heard anyone say the McLaren engine is rubbish they should have put a Merc or BMW engine in it instead it adds to the pedigree and saleability of the McLaren as they are meeting Ferrari square on.
We should remember that Aston's current V8 is based on the Ford V8 (and old Jag unit) so upgrading to AMG would make an already perfect car even better.
Let Aston do the bits they're good at and let AMG help with the other bits. They already get the brakes, dampners, wiring looms, leather, carbon, aluminium panels, sat nav unit...sourced from third parties and simply assemble it all together - why not the engine too
Let Aston do the bits they're good at and let AMG help with the other bits. They already get the brakes, dampners, wiring looms, leather, carbon, aluminium panels, sat nav unit...sourced from third parties and simply assemble it all together - why not the engine too
Megaflow said:
Err, so how is it any different to an Aston with a borrowed Jaguar engine?
Or:
1) A Rolls Royce with a borrowed BMW engine?
2) A Mini with a borrowed Peugeot engine?
3) A Range Rover with a borrowed Ford engine?
4) A Pagani with a borrowed AMG Engine?
5) A Lamborginihi with a borrowed Audi engine?
6) etc etc etc...
Fantastic news for Aston. Despite the press release putting a gloss on it, I'm not sure there is much more in it for AMG than simply selling engines, etc and making money.
Which Lamborghini has an Audi engine? Or:
1) A Rolls Royce with a borrowed BMW engine?
2) A Mini with a borrowed Peugeot engine?
3) A Range Rover with a borrowed Ford engine?
4) A Pagani with a borrowed AMG Engine?
5) A Lamborginihi with a borrowed Audi engine?
6) etc etc etc...
Fantastic news for Aston. Despite the press release putting a gloss on it, I'm not sure there is much more in it for AMG than simply selling engines, etc and making money.
I suspect only the ones spelled LamborgInihi.
FeelingLucky said:
Which Lamborghini has an Audi engine?
I suspect only the ones spelled LamborgInihi.
From WikiI suspect only the ones spelled LamborgInihi.
The Lamborghini V10 is a ninety degree (90°) V10 petrol engine which was developed for the Lamborghini Gallardo automobile, first sold in 2003.
Developed by AUDI AG, for use in the Gallardo, and the first engine developed for Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A. after they were acquired by AUDI AG - part of the Volkswagen Group. As such, it shares components and technology from other members of the group, specifically Audi.
Vantagefan said:
...They already get the brakes, dampers, wiring looms, leather, carbon, aluminium panels, sat nav unit...sourced from third parties and simply assemble it all together...
As do every other manufacturer, otherwise GKN, Hella, Bosch Automotive, Johnson Controls, Valeo, Magna etc. would be out of business.JMC1 said:
So tell me how does McLaren have their own engine which is developed and built by Ricardo cost effectively enough to sell a car at £170,000 in relatively small numbers and sell all around the world.
If McLaren can afford this why can not Aston. For me using AMG engines might make for a nice package but it is a step back whilst McLaren are moving forward.
I have not heard anyone say the McLaren engine is rubbish they should have put a Merc or BMW engine in it instead it adds to the pedigree and saleability of the McLaren as they are meeting Ferrari square on.
True, but Aston is really, really, really strapped for cash, eg: it's using 'leftover' 6-speed ZF gearboxes - everyone else has been using the 8-speeder for around 3 years - the Vantage's V8 is a bored and stroked version of an old Jag 4.2, Aston's column stalks are refugees from Ford's early '00s/X-type parts bin, etc.If McLaren can afford this why can not Aston. For me using AMG engines might make for a nice package but it is a step back whilst McLaren are moving forward.
I have not heard anyone say the McLaren engine is rubbish they should have put a Merc or BMW engine in it instead it adds to the pedigree and saleability of the McLaren as they are meeting Ferrari square on.
Meanwhile, McLaren was savvy to use its start-up budget, which includes much investment from the Middle East, to produce a turbo V8 that can be used in all of its models, albeit in varying states of tune/boost.
Similarly, maybe AMG is going to supply Aston with a 'basic' twin-turbo 4.0-litre V8, which can be mapped for 500, 600 and 700bhp?
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