RE: Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted
Discussion
Terminator X said:
What do people think bout the paddles in the CSL? Paddles only wasn't it?
TX.
Love 'em - hence my comment above. Its a bit raw but so is the car. In the highest speed (change) setting it does thump the gears in but that only makes it better in my opinion. It would be boring if it was all smooth like a dsg system. Yes manual would have been great but it wasn't available so no point worrying about that.TX.
Schnellmann said:
In isolation fine. However, if you are used to the current, double clutch boxes, like in the 458, it feels very slow. Still quicker than changing by hand though. Shouldn't put you off having one (IMO).
A full bore gear change in a Scuderia takes 60 milliseconds, how fast do you want it LOL!TREMAiNE said:
Dare I say it... I think the rear end of these is 10x nicer than the 458's arse!
Which one? There are five. http://www.pistonheads.com/members/directory.asp?n...CraigyMc said:
TREMAiNE said:
Dare I say it... I think the rear end of these is 10x nicer than the 458's arse!
Which one? There are five. http://www.pistonheads.com/members/directory.asp?n...
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
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Spot on!!! I've owned a couple of red cars and loved them, now have a white one (Porsche GT3) and LOVE that too... At the weekend I met a friend of my fathers who had a stunning F430, I asked how many miles he'd done in it. 6000 miles in 5 years came the reply!!!!!!Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
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Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
Ohh how I laughed - I've done 5K in mine since I bought it in Feb!!!
Just cant quite bring myself to do the whole, buy an expensive car / but then your not really supposed to drive it BS again... LOVELY as they are!
Bencolem said:
I think I can say with some certainty that the sports cars of the 90s and noughties will in future be viewed as the last of the truly 'analogue' cars - can't see cars like the MP4-12C or anything with DSG and electric steering being prized quite like a Scud or a CSL (another paddles car!). Surely as the levels of interaction and driver input diminishes so those that exemplified the art will be more coveted?
Uh, that's news to me that a 12C has electric steering.....And I am not sure how anyone can consider a car like a Scud anything like 'analogue'. Alright, it's not quite as digitised as a 458 but it is in no way analogue with the e-diff doing all manner of electronic wizardry as you take the car through a corner.
Drive a 997 GT3 or GT3 RS back to back with the scud and I defy anyone to say hand on heart one does not feel far more mechanically connected to the driving experience in the Porsche (and that is the biggest issue with the 991 GT3 IMO where it has now become a fully digitised car). The scud is a great car and an awful lot of fun but the last of the truly analogue Ferraris was probably the F50.
Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 6th August 13:18
Slickhillsy said:
Rawwr said:
It's also important to check the amount of owners.
Or so I hear.
Why? Dont see what the amount of owners has to do with the price of fish (or Scud's as the case may be)...Or so I hear.
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
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Plus "alleged clocking" to help resale values, engine rebuilds required, and the complete lack, in this country at least, to unleash the beast (unless a track day), these cars are becoming more obsolete by the day.Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
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Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
Slickhillsy said:
Spot on!!! I've owned a couple of red cars and loved them, now have a white one (Porsche GT3) and LOVE that too... At the weekend I met a friend of my fathers who had a stunning F430, I asked how many miles he'd done in it. 6000 miles in 5 years came the reply!!!!!!
Ohh how I laughed - I've done 5K in mine since I bought it in Feb!!!
Just cant quite bring myself to do the whole, buy an expensive car / but then your not really supposed to drive it BS again... LOVELY as they are!
Genuine enthusiasts wind the miles back between MOT's surely Ohh how I laughed - I've done 5K in mine since I bought it in Feb!!!
Just cant quite bring myself to do the whole, buy an expensive car / but then your not really supposed to drive it BS again... LOVELY as they are!
TX.
AndyBrew said:
Schnellmann said:
In isolation fine. However, if you are used to the current, double clutch boxes, like in the 458, it feels very slow. Still quicker than changing by hand though. Shouldn't put you off having one (IMO).
A full bore gear change in a Scuderia takes 60 milliseconds, how fast do you want it LOL!John.
treetops said:
toppstuff said:
While I love the idea of a Scuderia, I am totally turned off by all the BS that surrounds Ferrari these days.
Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
edited for stoopid spelling
Plus "alleged clocking" to help resale values, engine rebuilds required, and the complete lack, in this country at least, to unleash the beast (unless a track day), these cars are becoming more obsolete by the day.Put some miles on the car and the market punishes you. And Ferrari dealers spank you with servicing costs.
Try to make sense of how all the Ferrari's you look at with a view to purchase, seem to miraculously have a low mileage in order to preserve their value. Realise then, how "mileage correction" specialists seem to earn their living.
I can't think of any other manufacturer where putting miles on the car is so frowned upon. After Harris and his experience of the 599, even he must have had that nagging sensation where he wanted to drive the car but was fearful of "putting too many miles on it"..
The number of people actually putting proper miles on a modern Ferrari is depressingly low. And when they do, running costs seem to be more like a boat or a small helicopter.
All this nonsense puts me off Ferraris to be honest.
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:44
edited for stoopid spelling
Edited by toppstuff on Tuesday 6th August 12:46
The hand brake!! surely Ferrari must be able to come up with something a little bit more special.
The cheapest car I have ever owned.
Bought mine nearly three years ago and it's only risen in value since, apart from a few price blips over winter.
Regards the driving experience it's pretty trick straight out of the box, and the gearbox is what makes this car. The shifts up give you a real bang in the back when your flat out with little pops and bangs to add to the experience!
Not at all keen on the DCT transmissions of today, far too clinical and suited better to daily drivers (it seems well at home in my derv 5 series). Had a manual E92 M3 manual which I rated as one of my favorite all time cars, did 90k in two years and bought a DCT model before chopping it in for a manual a few thousand miles later.
I don't doubt that the DCT technology is very very clever, but for me the mechanical clunk and bang of the hydraulically assisted manual just does it...
Bought mine nearly three years ago and it's only risen in value since, apart from a few price blips over winter.
Regards the driving experience it's pretty trick straight out of the box, and the gearbox is what makes this car. The shifts up give you a real bang in the back when your flat out with little pops and bangs to add to the experience!
Not at all keen on the DCT transmissions of today, far too clinical and suited better to daily drivers (it seems well at home in my derv 5 series). Had a manual E92 M3 manual which I rated as one of my favorite all time cars, did 90k in two years and bought a DCT model before chopping it in for a manual a few thousand miles later.
I don't doubt that the DCT technology is very very clever, but for me the mechanical clunk and bang of the hydraulically assisted manual just does it...
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