RE: Ferrari 430 Scuderia: Spotted

[stew-S160]

I much prefer these to the 458. Do it Chris, DO IT!

[Wills2]

m30dus said:

Not at all keen on the DCT transmissions of today, far too clinical and suited better to daily drivers (it seems well at home in my derv 5 series). Had a manual E92 M3 manual which I rated as one of my favorite all time cars, did 90k in two years and bought a DCT model before chopping it in for a manual a few thousand miles later.

I don't doubt that the DCT technology is very very clever, but for me the mechanical clunk and bang of the hydraulically assisted manual just does it...

Not remotely comparable to the scud, but if you select 6 on the gear change the M3's DCT gives you a hell of a jolt/shove on each gear change if you're aggressive with the loud pedal.

Pity you have to disable the DSC to access it though.

[isaldiri]

kambites said:

I don't think that's fair at all. The amount of work the driver has to do and the amount of "sensation" the car feeds back to the driver has been falling continuously pretty much since the motorcar was first invented. I'm not at all convinced that we've had any sort of watershed in the last twenty years, just the continuation of a gradual trend.

Only partially agree with the above. While I agree it is true the feedback of cars has been falling as you say, the recent stepup in cars being electronics heavy has represented a big step change in the trend (particularly once the GTR appeared).

Take the 991 GT3 for example, a driver's every input is now translated into a computer signal before being output back out to the car's reaction to said input with all the variety of rear wheel steer/e-diff/torque vectoring/electric steering/pdk etc... Now with all the glowing reviews of that car around, it might well be that Porsche have managed to retain the mechanical feel of the car despite the electronics but I have to say I find it hard to believe one would not feel more connected to the prior generation of GT3. I admit however that without having driven one I should probably reserve judgement until having done so though....

[possibletowel]

TREMAiNE said:

Dare I say it... I think the rear end of these is 10x nicer than the 458's arse!

+ 1

dont fancy the arse on the 458 much at all!

my favourite modern ferrari! one in light blue( blu tour de france?) and grey stripes plz

[nigelonich]

Thread mentions Scud, CS and CSL.

I currently own a CS (since new), just sold my CSL (two year ownership) and recently drove a Scud 200 miles in Scotland.

Scud has the best Engine and Gearchange of the bunch and I was stunned with how good the 'box was in terms of speed and positive response. The gearchange has a soundtrack of its own where the CS is silent which nobody had mentioned before and I liked. My only complaint about the Scud was its brakes being a little wooden. They worked very well but the pedal feel is odd and ive driven more than one Scud which has the same issue.

CS has the best soundtrack but blindfolded the handling is the same as a Scud and the brakes in the CS are IMHO better.

The CSL gearchange gets a lot of flack but after about 500 miles it is actually fine and I was happy with it. Standard brakes are poor. However the engine note and handling were superb.

Looking at the modern Ferrari range the Scud sticks out as one of the best value for money options as long as its cheaper than a 458.

[mikey k]

That makes me want to look at 16M's again

[Benjaminbopper]

Correct me if i'm wrong but:

430 Scuderia > paddle > hydraulic action > liquid moves > forces a gear change = analogue.


DCT box > paddle > microswitch > electrical signal > microswitch forces gear change = digital


So this is therefore a truly analogue car? For me this is the perfect outcome.

[CraigyMc]

Benjaminbopper said:

Correct me if i'm wrong but:

430 Scuderia > paddle > hydraulic action > liquid moves > forces a gear change = analogue.


DCT box > paddle > microswitch > electrical signal > microswitch forces gear change = digital


So this is therefore a truly analogue car? For me this is the perfect outcome.

wrong.

[m30dus]

Wills2 said:

Not remotely comparable to the scud, but if you select 6 on the gear change the M3's DCT gives you a hell of a jolt/shove on each gear change if you're aggressive with the loud pedal.

Pity you have to disable the DSC to access it though.

Granted - yes I used S6 mode on the M3 DCT box but it was still missing something... Very good yes, but for me, no.

[Wills2]

m30dus said:

Granted - yes I used S6 mode on the M3 DCT box but it was still missing something... Very good yes, but for me, no.

And I guess the DCT has to manufacture the thud whereas in the scud it's the real deal.

[DISASTRA 5 0]

Had a go in a red one of these a couple of years back that the owner had the alloys painted silver, really changed the look of it I thought!(for the better)

Under hard acceleration it was hard to hear the owner sitting beside me! A ridiculous noise that will never leave me!

Gear change was not slow but give you a kick to get the heart rate up.

This is becoming the main topic now (boxes) think i'm a manual man through and through, does anyone else tap the O button on the ps3 controller between shifts whilst playing Gran Turismo 5?

As above Chris You can do it!!!

[Bencolem]

isaldiri said:

Uh, that's news to me that a 12C has electric steering.....

And I am not sure how anyone can consider a car like a Scud anything like 'analogue'. Alright, it's not quite as digitised as a 458 but it is in no way analogue with the e-diff doing all manner of electronic wizardry as you take the car through a corner.

Drive a 997 GT3 or GT3 RS back to back with the scud and I defy anyone to say hand on heart one does not feel far more mechanically connected to the driving experience in the Porsche (and that is the biggest issue with the 991 GT3 IMO where it has now become a fully digitised car). The scud is a great car and an awful lot of fun but the last of the truly analogue Ferraris was probably the F50.

Edited by isaldiri on Tuesday 6th August 13:18

Didn't say the 12C has electric steering.....

Cited as an example of a car reported to deliver easy speed over driver involvement, an ever developing trend.

[SteelySteve]

Schnellmann said:

Whats the gear change on the 360 Challenge Stradale like?

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I have a Challenge Stradale which I tend to use mostly on windy roads & tracks and a Nissan GTR as a DD, If you use the CS in street mode the gearchange is slow like the original R8 auto, however, if you use it in race and at higher RPM the CS gearchange is instant and amazing. In Race setting the single clutch gearchange in the CS feels ALOT quicker than the dual clutch transmission in the GTR.

Also, whilst I don't understand the enginerring behind it, when you pull the shift lever in the CS you feel like you are part of the machine, whilst the GTR feels disconnected like a video game somehow and therefore very dull in comparison.

Edited by SteelySteve on Tuesday 6th August 14:50

[Henry Fiddleton]

Does the M6 (V10) not fall into this?

Thumping gearbox paddle - not DCT.

High revving v10.

And now for £30k for a very good one?

Anyway- manual all the way, I like feeling the gears work through my arm on cold mornings before the oil is warm.

I feel at one with something that is alive - and needs time to wake up, just like humans do.

[GranCab]

"I have a Challenge Stradale which I tend to use mostly on windy roads" ... is that because it has good aerodynamics ... ?

[Gorbyrev]

GroundEffect said:

CraigyMc said:

Are you aware that "Scud" is a Scots word for Porn?

It seems oddly appropriate here.

I always knew it as 'naked'...but I am a dirty lowlander

It is also my mate Billy's slang for a bottle of Coke, owing to the shape of the bottle. Many of the best things in life are enjoyed in the scud!

[Weatherbee]

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I hate to be annoying here, but it really is one of my automotive pet peeves. There is a 360 Modena, a 360 Spider, a 360 GT, a 360 Challenge, but no 360 Challenge Stradale. It is simply a Challenge Stradale. Please reference Ferrari's own book "Challenge Stradale" where not once does it refer to the car as "360 Challenge Stradale" or "360CS". This has been screwed up by journalists and auto-enthusiasts alike ever since the car first appeared.

That is all.

[Gorbyrev]

Weatherbee said:

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I hate to be annoying here, but it really is one of my automotive pet peeves. There is a 360 Modena, a 360 Spider, a 360 GT, a 360 Challenge, but no 360 Challenge Stradale. It is simply a Challenge Stradale. Please reference Ferrari's own book "Challenge Stradale" where not once does it refer to the car as "360 Challenge Stradale" or "360CS". This has been screwed up by journalists and auto-enthusiasts alike ever since the car first appeared.

That is all.

Only on Pistonheads - brilliant. Your knowledge is complete. So tempted to say how much I like the F430 Suderia But it might all kick off again.

[AndyBrew]

Gorbyrev said:

Only on Pistonheads - brilliant. Your knowledge is complete. So tempted to say how much I like the F430 Suderia But it might all kick off again.

LOL!

[smilo996]

From the back wheels backwards it looks great. The rest of it just looks ungainly. I saw a regular one for 37K. So future classic.
Would prefer a 355 and spend money getting it right though.