RE: BMW M135i vs Porsche Cayman
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Schnellmann said:
+1
One of the most pointless comparisons ever.
How many people really start the day thinking they need a four seater hatchback and end up with a two-seater coupé?
And why quote £37k for the BMW? Nonsense (unless the BMW dealer sees you coming). With discounts it shouldn't be more than around £34k even if you tick most of the options. I don't know what discounts you can get from Porsche though.
I know one poster on here who does One of the most pointless comparisons ever.
How many people really start the day thinking they need a four seater hatchback and end up with a two-seater coupé?
And why quote £37k for the BMW? Nonsense (unless the BMW dealer sees you coming). With discounts it shouldn't be more than around £34k even if you tick most of the options. I don't know what discounts you can get from Porsche though.
Lets get right to it.......M135 vs
Schnellmann said:
+1
One of the most pointless comparisons ever.
How many people really start the day thinking they need a four seater hatchback and end up with a two-seater coupé?
And why quote £37k for the BMW? Nonsense (unless the BMW dealer sees you coming). With discounts it shouldn't be more than around £34k even if you tick most of the options. I don't know what discounts you can get from Porsche though.
I always understood "discount" was a dirty word in Porsche's lexicon. One of the most pointless comparisons ever.
How many people really start the day thinking they need a four seater hatchback and end up with a two-seater coupé?
And why quote £37k for the BMW? Nonsense (unless the BMW dealer sees you coming). With discounts it shouldn't be more than around £34k even if you tick most of the options. I don't know what discounts you can get from Porsche though.
Captain Muppet said:
No, the whole point of the M135i v the world series, rather than a group test to provide some real perspective, is to drag this out to generate as much internet traffic as possible.
Plus it's much easier to borrow two cars at once rather than several.
It all feels far too much like a massive advert for the M135.
Really? An online motoring magazine generating internet traffic? Who would have thought eh? Big advert when it lost the last test? Ok...Plus it's much easier to borrow two cars at once rather than several.
It all feels far too much like a massive advert for the M135.
Amirhussain said:
kambites said:
Amirhussain said:
Can't really compare the 2 IMO, if I had to choose though, BMW all day, Cayman is too too too ugly from the rear. Only Porsche I'd have is the 911.
I know beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I never thought I'd see someone say they'd pick the 1-series over the Cayman on the basis of looks... and especially then go on to say they'd happily have a 911. 
copperman05 said:
Captain Muppet said:
No, the whole point of the M135i v the world series, rather than a group test to provide some real perspective, is to drag this out to generate as much internet traffic as possible.
Plus it's much easier to borrow two cars at once rather than several.
It all feels far too much like a massive advert for the M135.
Really? An online motoring magazine generating internet traffic? Who would have thought eh? Big advert when it lost the last test? Ok...Plus it's much easier to borrow two cars at once rather than several.
It all feels far too much like a massive advert for the M135.
copperman05 said:
The whole point of the series M135i v the world is to see how the M135i stacks up to a variety of cars as the M135i is such a good allrounder, they surely need to compare it to cars such as the Cayman, to find where its limits are?
As for it feeling like an advert, yes, losing marginally to a car that sells for £10k/30% extra seems a little like saying it's quite good. I'm not accusing PH of bias, but none of it is bad PR for the BMW is it?
Sorry but WTF does "With realistic specifications, no. Our test Cayman was without PDK" mean? The fact you happen to have a BMW press car with PDK doesn't mean everyone else measures this as a positive asset. Most right-minded people would view it as a negative or neutral. The joy of the M135 is it does come with a cracking manual g'box.
Please guys, we know you have to eat the dogfood you're given by the makers, but don't do their own PR for them in reviews!
Please guys, we know you have to eat the dogfood you're given by the makers, but don't do their own PR for them in reviews!
Captain Muppet said:
I don't buy new cars so I have no experience of this, but if you spec a Porsche without £10k worth of options, is it really worth more than £10k less secondhand? If not surely specing options "to make it easier to sell" is just insane. Is there no depreciation on options? Seems unlikely to me, but then I have no experience.
Try this:When discussing the purchase of the car, they'll tell you X, Y and Z are absolutely essential for resale. Then ask them to calculate the GFV (Guaranteed Future Value) if you were to take it on a PCP, as a base car and one with all the stuff you want added.
What you'll see is only certain options like 'Nav and PDK will add anything, and then it'll be a fraction of the price it cost you.
The options are only really for your perceived need and vanity, and they'll cost.
Captain Muppet said:
I'm confused, are you agreeing with my point that it's mainly for generating internet traffic or is...
I was being sarcastic, its a online motoring magazine what did you expect? The M135i is a hotly debated car right now, PH are discussing said car, I don't see issue with that. Mike Roberts said:
Captain Muppet said:
I don't buy new cars so I have no experience of this, but if you spec a Porsche without £10k worth of options, is it really worth more than £10k less secondhand? If not surely specing options "to make it easier to sell" is just insane. Is there no depreciation on options? Seems unlikely to me, but then I have no experience.
Try this:When discussing the purchase of the car, they'll tell you X, Y and Z are absolutely essential for resale. Then ask them to calculate the GFV (Guaranteed Future Value) if you were to take it on a PCP, as a base car and one with all the stuff you want added.
What you'll see is only certain options like 'Nav and PDK will add anything, and then it'll be a fraction of the price it cost you.
The options are only really for your perceived need and vanity, and they'll cost.
It's a shame, I was planning to build an entire new kind of depreciation proof car made entirely of OEM satnavs and parking sensors.
Captain Muppet said:
That seems logical.
It's a shame, I was planning to build an entire new kind of depreciation proof car made entirely of OEM satnavs and parking sensors.
I think many people do just that! It's a shame, I was planning to build an entire new kind of depreciation proof car made entirely of OEM satnavs and parking sensors.
I think its the dealers who are to blame for this sort of mentality. 'You'll need pro nav sir come resale time otherwise no one will want to give you a decent p/x price'
Edited by copperman05 on Wednesday 4th September 14:29
Captain Muppet said:
I don't buy new cars so I have no experience of this, but if you spec a Porsche without £10k worth of options, is it really worth more than £10k less secondhand? If not surely specing options "to make it easier to sell" is just insane. Is there no depreciation on options? Seems unlikely to me, but then I have no experience.
Quite. I bought a new Cayman 2.7 with only £3k of options a few years ago. It was white, with plastic&alcantara interior and I picked 18" wheels, PASM/6 speed, Clima & Sport Chrono options only. It took me two days to sell it on here a couple of years later, and I got good money too. Anything else I could have specified, like leather or nav (at ~£5k) would have depreciated just as fast as the rest of the car.
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Blue One said:
Sorry but WTF does "With realistic specifications, no. Our test Cayman was without PDK" mean? The fact you happen to have a BMW press car with PDK doesn't mean everyone else measures this as a positive asset. Most right-minded people would view it as a negative or neutral. The joy of the M135 is it does come with a cracking manual g'box.
Please guys, we know you have to eat the dogfood you're given by the makers, but don't do their own PR for them in reviews!
Its actually not even a PDK, but a ZF torque converter auto. Albeit an 8 speed one that is by all accounts excellentPlease guys, we know you have to eat the dogfood you're given by the makers, but don't do their own PR for them in reviews!
copperman05 said:
Captain Muppet said:
I'm confused, are you agreeing with my point that it's mainly for generating internet traffic or is...
I was being sarcastic, its a online motoring magazine what did you expect? The M135i is a hotly debated car right now, PH are discussing said car, I don't see issue with that. Amirhussain said:
Can't really compare the 2 IMO, if I had to choose though, BMW all day, Cayman is too too too ugly from the rear. Only Porsche I'd have is the 911.
Are you insane?Coincidently, I just saw a new red Cayman cruising through Farnham on my lunch break and it looked absolutely terrific.
copperman05 said:
Captain Muppet said:
That seems logical.
It's a shame, I was planning to build an entire new kind of depreciation proof car made entirely of OEM satnavs and parking sensors.
I think many people do just that! It's a shame, I was planning to build an entire new kind of depreciation proof car made entirely of OEM satnavs and parking sensors.
Other than that I picked Pro-nav which added £700 and heated seats which added nothing. I got 10% off list, so in the world of man-maths it's costing me £300 a year to be told where to go with a warm backside.
At the end of 3 years I'll get offered pretty much the same money to trade it in as those spending £xxx more on loading the car up with tat.
I'd do the same with the Pork, bare bones spec manual car.
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