Funny observations about vehicles weights
Discussion
A bit like the performance thread the other week, this is a bit tongue in cheek 
but largely observational based on common held views on PH (and maybe the wider motoring community in the UK 
)
Not heavy:
1995 BMW M3 Evolution
1515 kg
Heavy:
2000 Ford Mustang GT
1468 kg
Not heavy:
2000 BMW M3
1570 kg
Heavy:
2008 Nissan 370Z
1466 kg
Not heavy:
2007 Subaru Impreza RB320
1495 kg
Heavy:
1998 Porsche 911 Carrera 996
1320 kg
Not heavy:
1996 Porsche 911 Carrera 993
1445 kg
Heavy:
2001 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
1541 kg
Not heavy:
2005 Ferrari F430 Spider F1
1520 kg
Heavy:
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10
1506 kg
Not heavy:
2006 Mazda 3 MPS
1485 kg
E&OE
All figures are from http://www.carfolio.com and are used for illustration purposes only.
but largely observational based on common held views on PH (and maybe the wider motoring community in the UK )Not heavy:
1995 BMW M3 Evolution
1515 kg
Heavy:
2000 Ford Mustang GT
1468 kg
Not heavy:
2000 BMW M3
1570 kg
Heavy:
2008 Nissan 370Z
1466 kg
Not heavy:
2007 Subaru Impreza RB320
1495 kg
Heavy:
1998 Porsche 911 Carrera 996
1320 kg
Not heavy:
1996 Porsche 911 Carrera 993
1445 kg
Heavy:
2001 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am
1541 kg
Not heavy:
2005 Ferrari F430 Spider F1
1520 kg
Heavy:
1997 Dodge Viper RT/10
1506 kg
Not heavy:
2006 Mazda 3 MPS
1485 kg
E&OE
All figures are from http://www.carfolio.com and are used for illustration purposes only.
What direction will this thread go?
I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a s
t-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap.
I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a s
t-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap. Papa Hotel said:
What direction will this thread go?
I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a st-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap.
You forgot the bit where someone disputes the weights and then we start going into source of the weights quoted and whether they include a passenger, luggage, fuel, dog, etc I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a s
t-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap. 
Papa Hotel said:
What direction will this thread go?
I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a st-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap.
I predict the OP will be both the victim of and the maker of a personal insult before the end of this page, it'll turn into a s
t-slinging exercise where he proves he's a bigger petrol head than everyone else, there'll be references to Smart Roadsters and TVRs, ill-informed guff about Yank cars followed by blind and bitter defence of them. Possibly mpg claims about "my Camaro" and why hatchbacks are crap. Probably.
12v3pot said:
Even the all-aluminium and therefore lightweight NSX is ... er ... 1350-1420kg!
1230 for the early NSX-R (or 1270 for the later one), that one is pretty light.Lightweight versions of many things have more impressive weights though, like sub-1200kg for the lightest Imprezas and Evos, 1295 for a 993 GT2.
I think you make a good point, its a bit like the build quality, a lot base things on perception and not actual facts.
I had a Volvo 850 T5 and a guy at work kept going on about how heavy Volvos were, 1420 kilos, not excessive for a decent sized 5 cylinder car, no heavier than anything comparable, his perception was based on a decades old impression of Volvos, Vovlos did used to be of heavier construction than say a Cortina but there probably wasnt that much in it, even back then.
A lot seem to think cabriolets are lighter as well, certainly not true of those based on a closed car, same with estates, the assumption seems to be an estate is half as heavy again, in reality its a few kilos.
Modern cars are heavy, of that there is no doubt but I think they are going the other way now via clever design, I think the zenith was diesel Audi A4 Cabrios weighing over two tonnes and a specced up Discovery/RR Sport getting on for three tonnes.
I had a Volvo 850 T5 and a guy at work kept going on about how heavy Volvos were, 1420 kilos, not excessive for a decent sized 5 cylinder car, no heavier than anything comparable, his perception was based on a decades old impression of Volvos, Vovlos did used to be of heavier construction than say a Cortina but there probably wasnt that much in it, even back then.
A lot seem to think cabriolets are lighter as well, certainly not true of those based on a closed car, same with estates, the assumption seems to be an estate is half as heavy again, in reality its a few kilos.
Modern cars are heavy, of that there is no doubt but I think they are going the other way now via clever design, I think the zenith was diesel Audi A4 Cabrios weighing over two tonnes and a specced up Discovery/RR Sport getting on for three tonnes.
J4CKO said:
I think you make a good point, its a bit like the build quality, a lot base things on perception and not actual facts.
I had a Volvo 850 T5 and a guy at work kept going on about how heavy Volvos were, 1420 kilos, not excessive for a decent sized 5 cylinder car, no heavier than anything comparable, his perception was based on a decades old impression of Volvos, Vovlos did used to be of heavier construction than say a Cortina but there probably wasnt that much in it, even back then.
My mother in law holds the view that BMWs have very expensive tyres. This is obviously from a time when they had metric tyres and so not at all relevant now.I had a Volvo 850 T5 and a guy at work kept going on about how heavy Volvos were, 1420 kilos, not excessive for a decent sized 5 cylinder car, no heavier than anything comparable, his perception was based on a decades old impression of Volvos, Vovlos did used to be of heavier construction than say a Cortina but there probably wasnt that much in it, even back then.
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